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Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Post by DuskStar »

meheleventyone wrote: post #30
tome wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the significance of 12 miles here?

He's not living on scene defending his property. A lot of places in the US privilege that scenario for self-defence when otherwise your actions would be prosecuted. If you take a rifle and drive to a trouble spot you could be construed as looking for trouble.

He was, however, defending his workplace. Supposedly he worked at one of the car dealerships in the area. (and then left to try to provide medical assistance and was unable to regroup with his group at that dealership)

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#102

Post by meheleventyone »

DuskStar wrote: post #96
meheleventyone wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he wasn’t alone where were his militia buddies whilst all this happened? Watching from a safe distance? And I don’t think it’s an enemy of my enemy thing. I think these groups genuinely think Trump supports them.

His militia buddies were back at the original car dealership they were protecting. The shooter left there to provide medical assistance, which required crossing a police line - the police didn't allow him to return to his group after that. This is from the following twitter thread by a NYTimes reporter: https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809

Your link does not give evidence for what you assert.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#103

Post by DuskStar »

meheleventyone wrote: post #102
DuskStar wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His militia buddies were back at the original car dealership they were protecting. The shooter left there to provide medical assistance, which required crossing a police line - the police didn't allow him to return to his group after that. This is from the following twitter thread by a NYTimes reporter: https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809

Your link does not give evidence for what you assert.

Yeah, I'll try and track down the "to provide medical assistance" bit. Though that thread does show the rest:

> Rittenhouse eventually leaves the dealership (https://t.co/udrONTtQEY?amp=1) and is barred by the police from returning, as seen @Ruptly footage, six minutes before the shooting: https://youtu.be/EEY5aBPNvIg?t=7147.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#104

Post by pstuart »

DuskStar wrote: post #100
pstuart wrote: post #81

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Hmm, so being a white person myself and criticizing other white people for using their whiteness as proof of their so-called superiority is racist? I don't think so, and your opinion doesn't change things.

Personally, I think "X people are Y characteristic" is racist whether X is Black, White, Asian, Jewish, American Indian or anything else, and whether Y is good or bad. The definition should be symmetric.

Let me try again: I'm calling out practitioners of racism, that those people suck. Would you care to disagree?

That is the context and the intent, so if you're interpreting it as hate for all white people then you're sadly mistaken.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#105

Post by DuskStar »

pstuart wrote: post #104
DuskStar wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I think "X people are Y characteristic" is racist whether X is Black, White, Asian, Jewish, American Indian or anything else, and whether Y is good or bad. The definition should be symmetric.

Let me try again: I'm calling out practitioners of racism, that those people suck. Would you care to disagree? That is the context and the intent, so if you're interpreting it as hate for all white people then you're sadly mistaken.

Well, you were replying to this comment:

> "white people suck" is a cut and dried racist comment, regardless of context.

With something that seemed like "no, I don't think 'white people suck' is racist". Bashing white supremacists is great! But bashing an entire race isn't.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#106

Post by CompanionCuuube »

ptd wrote: post #97
hpoe wrote: post #54

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I agree police reform is needed, but the rioting doesn't seem like a good way to deliver this message and will instead make enemies of those who could otherwise be allies. I mean what does some guy who owns a furniture shop in Seattle have to do with a police officer shooting someone in Chicago? At this point I fear that the good that could come from this is being drowned out by the violence and the destruction and i…

So maybe do something less violent, like kneel during a football game. People will definitely unilaterally support that, right?

> So maybe do something less violent, like kneel during a football game. People will definitely unilaterally support that, right?

Yeah, get one of those famous players like Roger Federer. Or maybe the whole Detroit Redskins team.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#107

Post by CompanionCuuube »

JamisonM wrote: post #38
partiallypro wrote: post #18

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I know you are posting an unpopular opinion, but I agree. Facebook has become a straw man for a lot of issues that we as a society are just too lazy to grapple with. So we just use outlets like Twitter, Facebook, etc as outlets. Meanwhile we seem to let traditional media completely off the hook. When in some cases (imo) they are quietly cheering for unrest because it makes for great TV/news.

It seems to me that traditional media has not been algorithmically promoting QAnon or Militia groups to their viewers and that difference is extremely important. Holding broadcasters accountable is easier than holding "narrowcasters" like Facebook accountable because you don't see what narrowcasters are promoting. But when you do find out you see that it is things that broadcasters would never push both for ethical a…

> both for ethical and commercial reasons

But primarily commercial reasons related to having a completely different distribution model.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#108

Post by pstuart »

DuskStar wrote: post #105
pstuart wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me try again: I'm calling out practitioners of racism, that those people suck. Would you care to disagree? That is the context and the intent, so if you're interpreting it as hate for all white people then you're sadly mistaken.

Well, you were replying to this comment: > "white people suck" is a cut and dried racist comment, regardless of context. With something that seemed like "no, I don't think 'white people suck' is racist". Bashing white supremacists is great! But bashing an entire race isn't .

I know that reading comprehension is hard, but I believe in you! Someday, you'll be able to understand the words in the context they were written.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#109

Post by DuskStar »

pstuart wrote: post #108
DuskStar wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you were replying to this comment: > "white people suck" is a cut and dried racist comment, regardless of context. With something that seemed like "no, I don't think 'white people suck' is racist". Bashing white supremacists is great! But bashing an entire race isn't .

I know that reading comprehension is hard, but I believe in you! Someday, you'll be able to understand the words in the context they were written.

And I hope you eventually learn that racism in response to racism is still racism, even if it is in support of a good cause.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#110

Post by basch »

DuskStar wrote: post #95
basch wrote: post #62

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This is the kind of more controversial comment Id like to see upvoted to spur good discussion. The Second Amendment says well regulated militia. Should a group of people be able to organize, with guns, to protect businesses from riots and looters? This one is looking like a very complicated situation as it unfolds. Someone underage, carrying an illegal gun, probably doesn't fall into well regulated. (Furthermore, wha…

> Someone underage, carrying an illegal gun, probably doesn't fall into well regulated. Except AFAICT open carry of long guns by minors 16-17 is legal in Wisconsin, as long as if you're hunting you have the appropriate license. And the gun itself is very definitely legal - IIRC it's the most popular "modern sporting rifle" in existence, and millions exist in similar configurations.

https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/suspected-kenosha-shoot...

I was under the impression it was illegal for a minor to be open carrying. By illegal gun I meant not registered to him, correct me if I'm wrong. Was it legal for him to own the gun in Illinois? He was also breaking curfew.

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