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Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This most recent incident in Kenosha was not "extrajudicial". The man had a knife and a fireman and was not complying with the officers. And in either case, that is not a situation that justifies burning buildings and destroying properties. Anarchy is not a solution to any problem.

The knife was in his car and they found it afterwords, it wasn't on him at the time. Not complying with officers should not mean a death sentence. This isn't Judge Dread. Other countries besides the US manage to not regularly murder black people- in fact most countries don't have anywhere near the level of police murder that the US has.

"The knife was in his car and they found it afterwords"

You mean the knife was in the car he was trying to get into at the time he was shot?

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#62
post #43

So what happened in Kenosha was tragic, and I don't think the issue is as cut and dry as either side would have you believe. But my concern is I felt like this was inevitable, and will continue. I know the BLM protests are politically charged, but the problem is that there are many people's whose livelihoods and business are being permanently put out of commission and communities that are being devastated by the the…

This is the kind of more controversial comment Id like to see upvoted to spur good discussion.

The Second Amendment says well regulated militia. Should a group of people be able to organize, with guns, to protect businesses from riots and looters?

This one is looking like a very complicated situation as it unfolds. Someone underage, carrying an illegal gun, probably doesn't fall into well regulated. (Furthermore, what happens if someone underage, carrying an illegal gun, crossed a boarder, is attacked and defends themself? It's food for thought. Is every party, protester, militia, police, simultaneously victim and perpetrator?) That in and of itself doesn't negate the constitutional right of others to do the same thing legally. Just like everything else, a small group of people breaking the law, shouldn't take away everyone elses rights. That goes for rioters not destroying peoples rights to protest. That goes for kids/murderers destroying peoples rights to a militia. If you want to say "protesters arent rioters" thats fine, then protesters and militia shouldnt clash, should both be free to exercise their rights, and if they do, that illegal clash should be prosecuted.

The other comments here are saying "cops should stop..." but that is irrelevant to the fact that it is legal (and the cops were encouraging it at the scene) for people to stand outside a building and protect it. Taking that a step further, and back to the point of the initial article, where does Facebook draw the line in allowing people to self organize to protect their property? Is defensive violence different than offensive violence? And then theres the idea that a militia is designed as a check and balance against an oppressive police/military force. Does suppressing the formation of militia play into the strengthening of unchecked government power?

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#63
post #29

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It's disheartening to see so much racism among the community here.

It's disheartening to hear people refer to anything and everything as 'racism' to the point it's lost all meaning.

Framing BLM as being a source of violence is racist AF.

I was called a racist on HN because I said "white people suck" in the context of White Nationalism.

If one doesn't think that systemic racism is real or a problem, then that individual is either ignorant or racist.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#64
post #20

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Pro tip: Fox news viewers are ill-informed. You may want to consider opening your mind a bit more. https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/07/21/a-rigorous-sci...

What a pretentious comment. I'm not in favour of deplatforming either BLM or QAnon, even though I do agree with the GP in this case. Maybe you should consider the fact that other people have valid opinions, just because you don't think they're correct.

If you think that BLM is starting the riots, then you are not aware of the Boogaloo 2 movement. These "militias" want to start a race war and they are the ones fanning the flames of violence.

Case in point: https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-...

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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post #34
post #21

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What's the significance of 12 miles here?

The fact that he illegally transported a gun over state lines to "defend" a community he wasn't part of and which didn't want him there to begin with.

Depends on how you define the community.

The police were thanking him for being out there, for his support, and giving out water bottles. (Top video in the article, skip about a minute in)

1:40 something in. Police: "Are you Protecting that building" Crowd: "yes" Police: "Thank you."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/26/jacob-blake...

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#66
post #10

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The media inverts everything, it's how they make money right now and it's awful. CNN anchors are literally one Baghdad Bob after another. The most hilarious memes right now are those with "mostly peaceful" protests where behind the anchor huge fires are raging.

When I hear people say "mostly peaceful" when referring to the protests and "a few bad apples" when referring to police I like to remind them of the fact that the peaceful majority are irrelevant when there are radicals in their ranks. Just look back at the lesson of history. https://youtu.be/YnOF7y-KuHE?t=127

The difference between the two groups is that one is organized, and its leadership has an obligation to control the behaviour of its members.

There's no chief-of-a-protest who can take administrative action against some anonymous drunk idiot throwing a brick into a window. There is, however, a chief-of-police who can theoretically do the same about the, ah, bad apples.

Practically, the various chiefs of police seem to be doing everything they can to protect those bad apples from the consequences of their behaviour.

Also, between civilians and police, the police should know better. We give them guns and a mandate to uphold the law, and pay them lots of money to do so. But instead of zero tolerance for criminal behaviour in their ranks, it's all coverups, collusion, the thin blue line, punishing whistleblowers, and lobbying for legislature that grants them them immunity to the consequences.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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post #45
post #43

So what happened in Kenosha was tragic, and I don't think the issue is as cut and dry as either side would have you believe. But my concern is I felt like this was inevitable, and will continue. I know the BLM protests are politically charged, but the problem is that there are many people's whose livelihoods and business are being permanently put out of commission and communities that are being devastated by the the…

There's a simple solution here- stop the police from murdering black people. If a house burns down it can be rebuilt, but you can't rebuild the lives ended by white supremacy in our police departments.

Shouldn't you be arguing for fewer police killings, period? Last I checked more white people were being killed by police than black people.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#69

Could we stop trying to make Facebook responsible for every damn thing that happens?

Can we try to make Facebook responsible for every damn thing that happens on their platform?

Telephone companies and email providers as well. Full transparency, no encryption, proactive censorship for the purpose of safety and protection. They shouldnt be letting anything dangerous over their tubes ever, and we shouldnt be tolerating their facilitation of violence.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#70
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's disheartening to hear people refer to anything and everything as 'racism' to the point it's lost all meaning.

Framing BLM as being a source of violence is racist AF. I was called a racist on HN because I said "white people suck" in the context of White Nationalism. If one doesn't think that systemic racism is real or a problem, then that individual is either ignorant or racist.

"white people suck" is a cut and dried racist comment, regardless of context.
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