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Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by mrtksn »

hnra wrote: post #59
mrtksn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, here it is: I want to have single place to manage my payments. As a user, I wouldn't care about the implementation. I wouldn't care about Apple's, Mozilla's or Google's cut. Not good business for you? Tough luck(unless I really want your product, then maybe adjust the price accordingly). What is the difference between App and Website asking for CC? No difference, I hate them both. As a developer I agree that we…

But how does allowing third party in-app payments remove your ability to use Apple Pay? Apple could even force developers to include Apple Pay but at a 30% markup.

It creates multiple places to look for payments. Also, if the price is 0.99 vs 1.29 I would feel bad if I opt out for 1.29 with Apple despite the fact that 0.3p isn't changing anything for me but I would feel obligated to enter CC details to get the discount(Yes I know it's not logical but Humans, Aye? If people were logical half of the economy wouldn't be around). It's a friction I don't want to have in my life.

The ideal solution for me is, Apple Pay being an open protocol and I can add payment methods to Apple Pay, can track all payments from a single UI. Then I would be O.K. with being offered %30 discount if I pay with "Epic Card" payment method(form the same payment UI).

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by ffpip »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #70
ffpip wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't post to show Apple is breaking rules. I wanted to show they were 'freeloading', the same thing they are accusing Spotify and Epic of . They aren't worried about 'user experience, security and convenience' here. Google has a problem with games like Fortnite and PUBG, because then they would lose too much. Kids spend millions on Fortnite.

Google Play Store and the Apple App Store can’t be compared in this way, because they provide completely different services. The Apple App Store review process is far more thorough, and expensive to operate. Apple also invest more into ensuring the privacy and security objectives they have for the App Store are met by way of OS development. It’s not surprising that Google prices some services differently, and Apple i…

Why do you think I'm supporting Google? Google is worse. I'm saying apple doesn't go through the play store on Android. Is no convenience or security needed there?

> because they provide completely different services

They provide the exact same thing. Review process is not related to the service they provide. It is related to devs putting their app on the store.

> Google prices some services differently, and Apple is 100% playing by the rules.

Apple does the same thing with Amazon. They also demand a fee on iOS, while taking a freeride on Android.

> What phone number do I call for a billing issue with Google

You didn't say what billing issue. A quick search gave me this number 1-877-355-5787 . I'm not tech support.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by ffpip »

rawoke083600 wrote: post #79

These days, and trust me I hear myself saying and typing this, it seems Microsoft is the "good guys" bar the repeated GitHub failures. Seems HackerNews is full of stories how Apple and Google is doing XYZ to developers or services. What a world we live in !

Yeah. I trust Microsoft more these days. I know they'll screw everyone over when Edge becomes popular again (it's good now), but they seem relatively better for now.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by JimDabell »

Razengan wrote: post #38
copp wrote: post #2

The usual discussion on this topic goes like this: Apple defenders - It is their right to do it, since Android store allows them. Others - Apple is being a hypocrite. While they maintain that app store must be compensated for all the services they do to developers, When given a chance they do not agree with their above statement. I feel w.r.t app stores, Google is User-centric, but Apple is Apple-Centric at the expen…

> but Apple is Apple-Centric at the expense of their customers Apple has done a lot to curtail scummy developer practices and protect users. You could go over each of their App Store policies and see how few of them are "at the expense of their customers." Not the least are their privacy and anti-tracking protections. iOS 14 already caught many apps (including Discord and Instagram) stealing our clipboard data and se…

> Apple has done a lot to curtail scummy developer practices and protect users.

This is so true, and the magnitude of this is not immediately apparent unless you’ve worked in an agency / freelanced building iOS applications. You have no idea how many user-hostile and abusive things I’ve seen blown completely out of the water with the golden phrase "Apple won’t allow that". It wins arguments in favour of the user instantly and permanently.

I’ve run up against Apple’s capricious review process more times than I can count, so I’ve got more reason than most to complain about it. But it’s impossible for me to argue that these rules don’t help the user when I’ve personally seen it happen so many times. It’s a double-edged sword to be sure, and I believe the best way of balancing things in favour of the end-user is to be more open than Apple is, but there are undeniable benefits to the user with the current system.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by kanobo »

rawoke083600 wrote: post #79

These days, and trust me I hear myself saying and typing this, it seems Microsoft is the "good guys" bar the repeated GitHub failures. Seems HackerNews is full of stories how Apple and Google is doing XYZ to developers or services. What a world we live in !

I'm in my thirties and it's amazing to watch Microsoft evolve since the 90s. As a teenager I would never have imagined the words 'Open Source' would ever be in a tag on a Microsoft-branded website.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by rubber_duck »

rawoke083600 wrote: post #79

These days, and trust me I hear myself saying and typing this, it seems Microsoft is the "good guys" bar the repeated GitHub failures. Seems HackerNews is full of stories how Apple and Google is doing XYZ to developers or services. What a world we live in !

That's my first reaction when thinking about this, but given their current approach to stuff like tracking and telemetry, and that they try to compete in the same space as Google and Apple I feel like Microsoft behaves like it wants to be in the Google & Apple position but they don't know how.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by rawoke083600 »

kanobo wrote: post #106
rawoke083600 wrote: post #79

These days, and trust me I hear myself saying and typing this, it seems Microsoft is the "good guys" bar the repeated GitHub failures. Seems HackerNews is full of stories how Apple and Google is doing XYZ to developers or services. What a world we live in !

I'm in my thirties and it's amazing to watch Microsoft evolve since the 90s. As a teenager I would never have imagined the words 'Open Source' would ever be in a tag on a Microsoft-branded website.

Shame ! Late thirties - I feel privileged to have grown up in the 90's when everybody(companies) were still not sure what to make of "the internet" and Microsoft were the ones using dirty tactics and OpenSource+Linux was enemy #1 !

Oh well - I need to go update my "ipchains" arg I mean "iptables" :D

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