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Post by rch »

_3u10 wrote: post #66
TimothyFitz wrote: post #9

Does Programming, Motherfucker really scale though? Every process listed is about teams of people Programming Together, Motherfucker. I've seen two people engaged in Programming, Motherfucker without Talking to Eachother, Motherfucker and the results were Disastrous, Motherfucker.

Nothing really scales. There is no process that will allow 100 hacks to make a Michelangelo, if you want a Michelangelo you're going to have to fucking hire him. If this bullshit really worked then corporate IT departments would be the envy of every startup out there. If your software is late/buggy/whatever the solution is rarely adding people / process. It's usually removing people / process. Process is what allows…

"the solution is rarely adding people / process. It's usually removing people / process"

hell yeah.

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#102

Post by zedshaw »

chasingsparks wrote: post #74

I enjoy when Zed is appropriately flippant (irony intended). While, I don't have experience working for any teams that consider "XP, Scrum, Kanban, Waterfall," etc, to be gospel, I can see that being more than "fucking" annoying. That being said, I can see some people who haven't tried these methodologies as immediately devaluing them. Don't do that. As long as you don't view the methodologies as a silver bullet they…

In all seriousness, all of the methodologies out there start out being used by some group of programmers. At this phase they're fairly successful since it's mostly programmers writing code and very little management overhead from non-programmers.

Eventually though, all of the advocates of these methodologies realize that it's management that buys what they're selling. Management buys the books, hires the consultants, pays the billable hours, and mostly in some desperate attempt to figure out what's going on despite their lack of knowledge.

In the end, all of these methodologies end up being more about management babysitting and less about actually writing the code necessary to get product out the door. In fact, I think even something like this, even though it's a joke, would end up with the same fate if it were taken seriously.

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Post by btilly »

darushimo wrote: post #90
edw519 wrote: post #48

"The path of the righteous programmer is beset on all sides by the inequities of the clueless and the tyranny of evil project managers. Blessed is he, who in the name of achievement and solid technology, shepherds the users through the valley of ineptitude, for he is truly his customer's keeper and the finder of lost solutions. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would at…

that's a quote from Johnny Mnemonic, right? ;)

Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRVm_TAE24A and the context will be explained.

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#104

Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #43

The fact that I agree with all of this just makes me sadder at how it was presented. Thanks for building a handy straw man for the methodology developers to attack. I flagged this --- it's virtually content free --- but that's a futile gesture given how susceptible HN is to this particular form of social engineering.

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Post by jacoblyles »

I'd like to propose that the first Monday of every month be devoted to hard tech content on a theme - starting with Monday, April 4th which will be Scala Day. Anybody else with me?

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#107

Post by [deleted] »

moogatronic wrote: post #60
tptacek wrote: post #43

The fact that I agree with all of this just makes me sadder at how it was presented. Thanks for building a handy straw man for the methodology developers to attack. I flagged this --- it's virtually content free --- but that's a futile gesture given how susceptible HN is to this particular form of social engineering.

I'm not sure how this is content free. It's offering up a gateway to a discussion/criticism of a lot of crufty-methodologies. Opinionated and vulgar maybe, but it is still about software, hacking, and maybe even business.

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Post by raganwald »

charlief wrote: post #100
edw519 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...it's virtually content free... Not if you run it through ReadBetweenTheLines(). Hey Thomas, lighten up. Normally I'd agree with you, but not today. This post hit me just right... I'm having a shitty day. Really shitty. 6 levels deep into garbage that never should have been written, trying to add one little feature. Asking myself every 7 minutes if I have time to rewrite without shifting everything else out a week.…

I liked the article, I just hate the inconsistency here on HN when it comes to humorous/evocative submissions and comments. We scold some for violating the guidelines, and we bless others. Can we sometimes be more relaxed about what is submitted? If the answer is yes as you are indicating, can we make it this way all the time? Ultimately the evolving community here will make the final judgement. I just feel that the…

We scold some for violating the guidelines, and we bless others.

That's really the curse of comedy. The whole point of comedy is to be subversive, to sneak in under the radar of "good taste" and "propriety." But it's hard to do that, a lot of the time it gets rejected out of hand, and it seems very inconsistent.

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