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Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by uniqueid » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 8:50 AM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #39

pm90 wrote: post #9

The alarm bells of fascism are ringing loudly, are the American people listening? It started with violating the rights of non-citizens by throwing them and their families in cages. Its building on centuries of black oppression and a nationwide corps of officers lead to believe certain class of Americans to be less than human. Today, the president used American Military-lite in a completely unnecessary display of mach…

> The alarm bells of fascism are ringing loudly, are the American people listening? When people feel that their security is threatened, they welcome fascism with open arms. Large numbers of Americans are going to cheer this on.

It sure seems like much of the nonsense sweeping the world is rooted in the technical design on the web.

The internet we have punishes educated, honest, kind, good actors. The internet we have rewards ignorant, dishonest, malevolent, connivers.

It's hard for the average person to reason about political issues when trolls and grifters and morons monopolize the public discourse.

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by ReticentVole » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 9:49 AM UTC

riffraff wrote: post #13

ReticentVole wrote: post #5

Forcing/encouraging the populace to wear masks, thus anonymising them, at the same time that many of them have lost their jobs and are unable to enjoy a social life, may not have been a good idea...

We have masks and an economic crisis in Europe but we don't have street riots. The problem here is (other than underlying systemic issues) a pretty stupid attitude from the administration which went for confrontation rather than accomodation.

In areas where there is a heavy population of migrants, you do have riots:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-riots-...

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by inawarminister » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 9:52 AM UTC

Whatarethese wrote: post #51

Laser pointers are about to be bought out everywhere if this keeps going around the states. What is honestly the point of this? Show of force? Cool. Lots of people look scared based on these videos. Not.

If you use a laser pointer on an airborne vehicles cockpits, you are attacking them lethally and must expect lethal reaction also. Please DO NOT do this.

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 11:16 AM UTC

bigiain wrote: post #66

newyankee wrote: post #6

Well i guess in a few days we might see some new generation drone and autonomous weapons too which were under wraps so far.

I wonder how long until the first protestor flies a DJI drone into a military helicopter turbine intake?

That would be interesting, considering the feeble drone would have to fly against the massive rotor downwash/draft to get near them. Could also be they have some sort of wire mesh against foreign object intake installed...

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by salawat » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 1:23 PM UTC

salawat wrote: post #72

andrewzah wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at least under Federal Aviation Administration rules, this maneuver was very illegal. > § 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft. > New York Times reporter Thomas Gibbons-Neff said that one of…

So who do you think is going to prosecute that? For that matter, how do you plan to get passed power of the Pardon the President wields? The Senate abdicated their responsibility and chance to hold Trump accountable. This is the outcome. I don't like the looks of either side of this bloody conflict.

Look, I want to be clear. I think the Democrats had a case, but didn't pick their issues correctly at the impeachment. I also think the Republicans completely missed the point that their candidate had totally shattered pretty much every historical bound of decency in terms of responsible, dignified behavior as expected of a President. If that vote had been much closer, we might see a bit more restraint coming from the President's office right now. That didn't happen.

I just want to be clear that there is nothing that makes me more nervous than a President who is shown no sign of being second guessed by the Legislature, especially during a crisis. It wouldn't even matter if roles were reversed and it were Hillary in the White House with Democrats in control of the Senate. I'd still be calling them out.

It is so easy to get carried away by the reins of power. Most people do not realize just how well equipped the Government is to go full authoritarian if it came down to it. The only thing that has kept that from happening has been our value system doing a fairly decent job of keeping that tendency in check. Or at least it seemed to be prior to 2001.

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by tomjen3 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 2:00 PM UTC

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #104

bigiain wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how long until the first protestor flies a DJI drone into a military helicopter turbine intake?

That would be interesting, considering the feeble drone would have to fly against the massive rotor downwash/draft to get near them. Could also be they have some sort of wire mesh against foreign object intake installed...

Then you would only need the drone to go over the helicopter, then let physics find the way in.

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by pm90 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #98

akersten wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can take a look at the videos yourself. Go on snapchat maps, click near the WH. That[0] is not "recon and visuals," that is a military helicopter intimidating US civilians on our own soil. [0]: https://s.sc-cdn.net/1KO38_D-saomzlpaMCGJvY96UMxYdW5Lsb-9MzD...

Last night these "peaceful" protestors burned a church directly across from the White House. The Lincoln memorial was defaced. The World War 2 memorial was defaced. The military has to protect the capital. And this is a fire and police department set ablaze in Minneapolis: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8UO8ppmbjK8 You've lost the plot.

Lol. Absolutely unnecessary use of police brutality against minority communities and peaceful protestors leads to more intense protestors and violence. And your response is “you’ve lost the plot”.

Stand this one out. You have no understanding of the situation on the ground.

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by pm90 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 2:22 PM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #94

pm90 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really sorry that your precious neighborhood has been defaced by graffiti. Its certainly as serious as the police systematically killing the people of non-white communities. > It's destroying the fabric of these cities. It will cost these cities decades to come back, if ever, from the decimation. On the other side of this is poverty, ruin, and gang violence. There is absolutely no evidence of anything close to th…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&time_continue=... some of the collateral damage, if you can listen to this woman speak without feeling anything, then you don't have a soul.

If you can’t understand the pain of black communities across America suffering from centuries of oppression and police brutality, then you have no soul.

Stand this one out. You’re hilariously out of touch with what’s important to societies.

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by viklove » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 4:48 PM UTC

inawarminister wrote: post #103

Whatarethese wrote: post #51

Laser pointers are about to be bought out everywhere if this keeps going around the states. What is honestly the point of this? Show of force? Cool. Lots of people look scared based on these videos. Not.

If you use a laser pointer on an airborne vehicles cockpits, you are attacking them lethally and must expect lethal reaction also. Please DO NOT do this.

This seems like a fun game:

> If you perform low-altitude flyovers while citizens exercise their right to assembly, you are attacking them lethally and must expect lethal reaction also. Please DO NOT do this.

Re: Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by GurnBlandston » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 4:50 PM UTC

inawarminister wrote: post #103

Whatarethese wrote: post #51

Laser pointers are about to be bought out everywhere if this keeps going around the states. What is honestly the point of this? Show of force? Cool. Lots of people look scared based on these videos. Not.

If you use a laser pointer on an airborne vehicles cockpits, you are attacking them lethally and must expect lethal reaction also. Please DO NOT do this.

Don't justify an exaggerated response like this. A laser pointer is not lethal. There is no comparison between a laser pointer and the armaments on a military helicopter.