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Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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We have a very armed police because we have a very armed populace, and we have a very armed populace because security is your own responsibility, at least in the rural areas (also notice the urban/rural divide, armed populace is in the rural area, and the crazy police stories are from the urban area). One of the main ways America is so different than Europeans because of its political system. Here we empower rural ar…

As a rural in the USA, I see it quite differently. Urban areas are hard left, and rural areas are a smattering of everything. I have never been attacked for my beliefs in rural areas, and yet I have in urban ones. There is a huge divide, but to assert yourself unquestionably on the right side paints how you view your position in the world. Stop demonizing what you don't understand, or you are very much the root of th…

The Sikhs that got killed for wearing turbans after 9/11/2001 weren't living in SF, LA or NY.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/us/sikh-hate-crime-victims/in...

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

#102

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Testbot, you are also relatively new to this community. It is very different and the best experiment into a social comment platform that actually works and brings greater knowledge and understanding to it's members, by it's members. HN is helpful, contemplative, and the best place I know to have civil discussions about the taboo. ( http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html ) PG's essays are highly recommended and his though…

Thanks, but I’ve been here a lot longer than my account age and I know how things work. Unfortunately, your behavior shows you to be a bad faith actor, and unfortunately for you a lot of the users on HN can recognize the gaslighting you’re attempting right now. Your patronizing post here really clinches it, as you yet again attempt to put me on the defensive and claim that your arguments are just honest debate on “ta…

@dang

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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As a veteran this hits me particularly hard. This kind of force goes beyond most uses of force I personally used in Afghanistan and Iraq, actual fighting being the exception. In fact, I’m pretty sure I’d be brought up on charges if we treated nonviolent people the way these videos portray.

The Geneva Convention permits the use of tear gas for non military crowd control purposes. It's use is simply prohibited for military purposes. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/aug/26/facebook-p...

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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You know where the expression "bad apples" came from, right? A few bad apples spoil the bunch. In other words, if there are a couple of rotten apples in a barrel, it spreads quickly to the whole barrel. In other words, it's important to find and throw out the bad apples immediately or you'll have to throw out the whole barrel a few days later.

I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone defend police and not use the "bad apples" expression for some reason.

I think the expression "it's only a few bad apples" started out as an ironic expression but got picked up by those who missed the irony. You're right, I do see it applied this way to police everywhere. And it's a self-defeating argument every time.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

#105

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We have a very armed police because we have a very armed populace, and we have a very armed populace because security is your own responsibility, at least in the rural areas (also notice the urban/rural divide, armed populace is in the rural area, and the crazy police stories are from the urban area). One of the main ways America is so different than Europeans because of its political system. Here we empower rural ar…

As a rural in the USA, I see it quite differently. Urban areas are hard left, and rural areas are a smattering of everything. I have never been attacked for my beliefs in rural areas, and yet I have in urban ones. There is a huge divide, but to assert yourself unquestionably on the right side paints how you view your position in the world. Stop demonizing what you don't understand, or you are very much the root of th…

> Stop demonizing what you don't understand, or you are very much the root of the problem

I don't really understand your agitation here to my comment. Yes, right now liberals aren't open to new ideas and conservatives are, but traditionally (and its well documented) liberals are open to new ideas and experiences but conservatives aren't. This doesn't mean anything other than what it says there.

The liberal-urban nexus and conservative-rural nexus is defined by their circumstances. You can choose to not keep a gun while living in the rural area, but you definitely have trouble keeping a gun in the urban area.

If you live in the rural area you can have many-many kids without an extra pressure on resources or you may choose to have fewer kids, whereas in the urban areas you need to be a lot more rich to have that 3rd kid because the resource pressure is so great.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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This abuse of power is the direct result of the militarization of our police force. I say we take away their guns. If a suspect is brandishing a firearm, they can call in a separate unit allowed to carry weapons. Also, no more riot gear. The police can’t be trusted with it. Let the national guard have it, but train them for emergency response, not hunting down crooks.

If you can't trust the police with guns or riot gear then what is the point of them. If all they are reduced to are official naggers then they will end up having to call the actual police (the people who are allowed to have guns and riot gear) and the actual police will end up doing what the current police do. A better solution would be to provide better training and enforcement of police behavior.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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> excuse to commit crime When cops break the law, and that's what they're doing here, they destroy faith in the justice system, in rule of law. What's crime? Is looting a Target, crime? Sure, according to tons of various laws in the USA, it is. Think about it another way though - there's a pile of food, more food than anybody could possibly eat before it spoils. In fact, lots of it does get thrown away, because it sp…

are you calmer yet?

That's crossing into personal attack and flamewar. Those things aren't allowed here.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting to HN, we'd be grateful.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

#108

I forgot about that, and how pissed it made me. Also forgot how people revenge killed good, innocent cops https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-shot-bro...

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23371796.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

#109
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Looting in one part of city does not excuses violence against demonstration in another part of city. The two sides framing is manipulative and seeks to excuse violence against one group of people by acts of another group.

To what extent is the (non) overlap of the two in [geo,peaceful/looting,intent/instigator] known? Do you have some sources so we can all have a better understanding?

Yeah, it is pretty much known as locations are known. Is this even serious question?

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Are there videos where protesters are beyond acceptable behavior? Rioters? I doubt this is a one way street by any measure. https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-shot-bro... There was some pretty awful things happening on the live streams last night. I'm surprised by how many people streamed themselves committing crimes. Are they ignorant or just dumb? The police just started taking pictures of everyone

How about instigators? Are you aware of white supremacists? I saw a video with a white guy breaking windows with a hammer and protesters chased him away. These tactics have been used before. That is not to say that there aren’t bad actors on each side, there are. I didn’t like the looting but I think its nothing compared to how systematically broken things are. Im white and I do break the law here and there, minor st…

> Are you aware of white supremacists? I saw a video with a white guy breaking windows with a hammer and protesters chased him away.

Why did you imply that guy was a white supremicist? What ever evidence do you have?

Video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vurPRZbLvc

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