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>"Well, this jives with reality." You want "jibes" here. Jive means to talk nonsense: https://www.grammarbook.com/homonyms/jibe-jive.asp
"Oh stewardess... I speak Jive" https://youtu.be/g0j2dVuhr6s?t=58
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"Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie" "every commenter on reddit and HN were saying China was covering it up" Stop using absolutes. There are plenty of people in the US that realize the US numbers have been suppressed by a lack of testing. There are plenty of people in the US who actually think China has handled the situation better than our own dysfunctional government. The only absolute truth is that we don't…
I think GP was probably being hyperbolic. Speaking with temperament sadly doesn't work well on the Internet.
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Downvoted maybe because spelling and capitalization errors? Edit: Holy crispy, it's just an idea of mine, not an assertion or endorsement or confirmation. Geeze.
Which is a really stupid reason to down-vote. Down-voting should be reserved for comments that do not contribute to the discussion. People need to be aware that there's non-native English speakers on this platform too.
Knowing Japan, I bet some poor freshly graduated but elite sod in the health ministry was, out of the blue, told by his boss "here's a bunch of reports from different prefectures. Make a report out of them." So he goes off and try to make sense of the data, which is why you see those magic and unexplained equations in the report. The kicker is the most complex computer thing he ever did in his life was that Word pres…
Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers. Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having…
> Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Well, this jibes with reality. I could care less about actual case counts - few countries are close to having the capacity to test everyone so who cares. What is a huge problem with China is the death statistics. Looking at Lombardy with 6k+ deaths with the outbreak not yet peaked, am I really s…
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They're reporting 2.5k deaths in Wuhan, while most estimates and other sources put it closer to 20k+. A factor of 10 isn't much of a change?
I don't deal in speculation and rumours sorry. The 2-3% assuming you have medical treatment has held true. The 10+% hospitalization has held true. The lack of response from the US is in no way due to China's reporting, it's due to the US propaganda and incompetence.
But you trust a known liar (the Chinese government)? Sounds like you're a bit biased here.
> US propaganda
So the US spreads propaganda, but not China? I don't understand how an educated individual could spout this nonsense anywhere.
edit: Am I getting downvotes because HN thinks the Chinese government doesn't have a history of lying? Anyone remember Tiananmen Square, the country of Taiwan, the country of Tibet, or the Uyghur Muslims?
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> Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Well, this jibes with reality. I could care less about actual case counts - few countries are close to having the capacity to test everyone so who cares. What is a huge problem with China is the death statistics. Looking at Lombardy with 6k+ deaths with the outbreak not yet peaked, am I really s…
Maybe the Chinese actually counted the people dying of the flu, instead of every death where the deceased also had the virus.
Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers. Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having…
There are wild accusations against Chinese government, when in fact we now see that they put the most stringent measures to avoid the escalation of this virus, which in fact they succeeded in doing, at least inside China. On the other hand, I live in one of the early focus of the virus in the USA, and the federal and local authorities told us to just wash hands, avoid handshakes, and continue our normal life. Against…
Claims the first case was in December. It was [middle of November](https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.htm...)
Other countries didn't even know there was much going on until December 30 thanks to Dr Li Wenliang [source](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...). He suddenly catches the disease and dies -- big coincidence in my opinion (especially as the death rate for someone 34 is 0.2%). This is at least SIX WEEKS after the initial infection.
They have hundreds to thousands of cases, but they somehow conclude that human to human transmission isn't occurring. Middle of January, WHO itself [tweets out](https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?ref_src=t...) that human to human transmission isn't happening. I'd note that Japan already had a case with NO links to any markets [source](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/16/national/scienc...)
Why would WHO do this? I don't know about the entire organization, but the WHO leader is [Tedros Adhanom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tedros_Adhanom). He is Ethiopian and works for the Ethiopian government. Ethiopia does 5.4 billion in trade with China let alone a 4 billion dollar direct investment [source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Ethiopia_relatio...). China also holds almost half of Ethiopia's debt [source](https://www.cnn.com/style/article/addis-ababa-china-construc...). Put simple, the WHO leader is compromised when it comes to China. This extends further with weird dodging of questions about Taiwan by another WHO official [source](https://twitter.com/ezracheungtoto/status/124386977441046937...).
Despite all this, the US still started screening people on Jan 17 [CDC source](https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0117-coronavirus-sc...). If the disease were more like MERS or the original SARS, this would have likely been all that was needed.
China throws a party with 40,000 people in Wuhan kicking an already huge problem into overdrive on January 18 [source](https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/02/06/wuhan-ne...)
On January 20 (exactly 10 weeks ago), China still denied the virus was transmitting between people [source](http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020012009077).
Only on January 21 does someone at WHO finally conclude human to human transmission is happening [source](https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/22-01-2020-field-visit...). Compromised WHO leader continues to praise China's response [source](https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-...).
China allows hundreds of millions of people to travel over Chinese Lunar New Years (Jan 24-30). The idea that people from Wuhan hadn't already traveled elsewhere in the country is crazy given what we know about the 1-27 days before symptoms show.
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China's reporting in no way made it seem less urgent. The reported fatality rate hasn't significantly changed from their reports.
They're reporting 2.5k deaths in Wuhan, while most estimates and other sources put it closer to 20k+. A factor of 10 isn't much of a change?
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Guangdong China: 320,000 tests by Feb 28, 2820 positive cases. Positive rate: 0.8% Iceland: 3,787 tests by March 18, 330 positive cases. Positive rate: 8.7% Clearly Guangdong did more testing with respect to its epidemic than Iceland. Let's look at New York State: 172,360 tests by March 29, 59513 positive cases Positive rate: 34.5%
Iceland as of March 30 has done 16K tests. Which is 45K/million people (4.5% of their entire pop), they have 6.6% infection rate. [1] Hubei population is 60M. So they'd have to do 2.7 Million tests to have the same degree of testing at Iceland. Even with an excessive lockdown, it seems that just on this issue alone, China's numbers look really quite wrong. That there was a breakout in other parts of the country and a…
So you are saying that countries and regions that are under-testing relative to Iceland all have numbers that are wrong?
"That there was a breakout in other parts of the country and almost no deaths look very suspicious."
That is what you don't get, there was never an outbreak in the rest of the country outside of Hubei. The number of cases never exceeded 3,000 in any other province.