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Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by ggffryuuj »

svara wrote: post #84
mc32 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modified, not synthetic.

A couple of days ago I posted a link to the BLASTN sequence alignment between the 2003 SARS virus and the Wuhan virus in a comment on one of the other discussions here. You can see they are closely related, at about 88% sequence identity. There are point mutations spread more or less evenly over the entire genome. This is how evolution works on genomes, and basically rules out genetic engineering, since researchers w…

The community is dying. I’ve been here since 2013. Lobste.rs is currently the place to be but it’s small and is only for programming topics.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by ajross »

perennate wrote: post #70
yurlungur wrote: post #52

The market resides in the heart of the city so it could be that there was some other route of transmission through carriers without symptoms, animals etc. To claim that this came from a lab certain requires more evidence than its mere existence. The whole RNA sequence is available online and so far no expert to my knowledge has claimed it looks synthetic.

I didn't read anything in the posted article that indicates that the China-based researchers think it came from a lab or looks synthetic. So I didn't understand why you are responding to a claim that they aren't making.

The virology lab thing is a very popular conspiracy theory. Really the only evidence is that the virus started in the general viscinity of the lab, and that the lab was (somewhat vaguely, but not completely implausibly) suspected of doing bioweapons research.

It's worth rebutting. The nonsense is a little out of control.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by justinzollars »

erokar wrote: post #93
yurlungur wrote: post #52

The market resides in the heart of the city so it could be that there was some other route of transmission through carriers without symptoms, animals etc. To claim that this came from a lab certain requires more evidence than its mere existence. The whole RNA sequence is available online and so far no expert to my knowledge has claimed it looks synthetic.

Parts of the HIV virus have been identified in it: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.... "Our analysis of the spike glycoprotein of 2019-nCoV revealed several interesting findings: First, we identified 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike glycoprotein that are not present in any other coronavirus reported till date. To our surprise, all the 4 inserts in the 2019-nCoV mapped to It is made…

This paper is not yet peer reviewed. I'm sure this claim will be studied exhaustively in the coming days/weeks.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by justinzollars »

ibeckermayer wrote: post #54
allovernow wrote: post #2

There is a recently opened P4 biolab in Wuhan within miles of the seafood market in question, with researchers who have recently been working with and publishing on the topic of Corona viruses, including research on human transmission. Not to be sensationalist, and personally I think the title is alarmist, but are a number of suspicious elements to this story that are worth examining: https://medium.com/@siradrianbon…

“Indian scientists have just found HIV (AIDS) virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov virus that are not found in any other coronavirus. They hint at the possibility that this Chinese virus was designed ["not fortuitous'].” [1] “BOSTON (CBS) – Three people tied to universities and a hospital in the Boston area were indicted on charges they lied about their ties to China or tried to help the Chinese government. Among t…

This paper is not yet peer reviewed. I'm sure this claim will be studied exhaustively in the coming days/weeks.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by justinzollars »

erichocean wrote: post #5

"Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag" https://biorxiv-cache.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/2020.01.30.... > [ABSTRACT] We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in ot…

This paper is not yet peer reviewed. I'm sure this claim will be studied exhaustively in the coming days/weeks.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by exdsq »

ggffryuuj wrote: post #101
svara wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple of days ago I posted a link to the BLASTN sequence alignment between the 2003 SARS virus and the Wuhan virus in a comment on one of the other discussions here. You can see they are closely related, at about 88% sequence identity. There are point mutations spread more or less evenly over the entire genome. This is how evolution works on genomes, and basically rules out genetic engineering, since researchers w…

The community is dying. I’ve been here since 2013. Lobste.rs is currently the place to be but it’s small and is only for programming topics.

Lobste.rs looks cool but I see you can only join if you're invited by an existing member. Would you mind sending one to me, or letting me know where I can go about getting one? :)

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Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by thedudeabides5 »

allovernow wrote: post #8
NathanKP wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Medium account was suspended...

https://archive.is/kMl5m

Did anyone check out the claim that the address of the Wuhan Lab was moved in google maps?

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by mustachionut »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #87
mustachionut wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The allegation that the virus originated in a lab is appealing but unfounded. Everybody would rather believe that our problems come from circumstances humans understand and control rather than the cold randomness of the universe. Though the virus and death it has caused is terrible, at least the fight against it unites humanity in a limited way. The groundless assertion that it originated in a lab recasts coronavirus…

From a fake account? There is no reason for that. Is there? Although your content seems very fatalistic ( = we can't understand nature). It seems weird and suspicious

> From a fake account?

No. From a new, anonymous account where I intend to post my opinions without them being tied to my identity. At least until I post enough for stylometric analysis to work...

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Post by _4bkn »

tempsy wrote: post #12

Yeah I have a hard time believing it has been definitively proven that the market was the source of the virus. Wouldn’t that mean they have the carcass of whatever animal transmitted the virus in their possession? And did the first person known to have contracted it actually say they went there?

It's just not that clear-cut. Last time around, they apparently culled the wrong animal population. Scientists still dispute to this day whether the action effected anything resembling change. The book "Spillover" (highly recommend it) goes into this in excruciating details, but in particular draws attention to the distinction between a host animal and the amplifier animal. In Hendra's case (Australia), it was a bat -> horse -> human -> random survival recurrence. In other outbreaks, it was not very clear what was what and health officials and some scientists tend to jump to conclusion too early.

What might seem like a rising concern is that there's documentation that the new virus may have made two hops between healthy carriers and infected others.

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