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Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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The market resides in the heart of the city so it could be that there was some other route of transmission through carriers without symptoms, animals etc. To claim that this came from a lab certain requires more evidence than its mere existence. The whole RNA sequence is available online and so far no expert to my knowledge has claimed it looks synthetic.

To add to this, there are 20+ genomes available now.

It’s being closely tracked and any claims should not be made without genome.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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The market resides in the heart of the city so it could be that there was some other route of transmission through carriers without symptoms, animals etc. To claim that this came from a lab certain requires more evidence than its mere existence. The whole RNA sequence is available online and so far no expert to my knowledge has claimed it looks synthetic.

Modified, not synthetic.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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There is a recently opened P4 biolab in Wuhan within miles of the seafood market in question, with researchers who have recently been working with and publishing on the topic of Corona viruses, including research on human transmission. Not to be sensationalist, and personally I think the title is alarmist, but are a number of suspicious elements to this story that are worth examining: https://medium.com/@siradrianbon…

This appears to have been debunked already. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-china-lab-m...

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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There is a recently opened P4 biolab in Wuhan within miles of the seafood market in question, with researchers who have recently been working with and publishing on the topic of Corona viruses, including research on human transmission. Not to be sensationalist, and personally I think the title is alarmist, but are a number of suspicious elements to this story that are worth examining: https://medium.com/@siradrianbon…

> 410 > This account is under investigation or was found in violation of the Medium Rules.

Hmm...

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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post #51

There is a recently opened P4 biolab in Wuhan within miles of the seafood market in question, with researchers who have recently been working with and publishing on the topic of Corona viruses, including research on human transmission. Not to be sensationalist, and personally I think the title is alarmist, but are a number of suspicious elements to this story that are worth examining: https://medium.com/@siradrianbon…

Heres another article: https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavir... What also leads me to believe this may be the case is that there was (according to the article) experiments on bats being run, and in China, people often find random animals, in drainage ditches, etc., and then go on to sell them for meat. It's possible that the bats they were working on were improperly disposed of, and then picked…

Zerohedge? Their primary product is fear porn for clicks, how reliable of a source do you think that is?

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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post #62

The market resides in the heart of the city so it could be that there was some other route of transmission through carriers without symptoms, animals etc. To claim that this came from a lab certain requires more evidence than its mere existence. The whole RNA sequence is available online and so far no expert to my knowledge has claimed it looks synthetic.

Modified, not synthetic.

Any source you have found credible? Their is a lot of information going around in both directions.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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There is a recently opened P4 biolab in Wuhan within miles of the seafood market in question, with researchers who have recently been working with and publishing on the topic of Corona viruses, including research on human transmission. Not to be sensationalist, and personally I think the title is alarmist, but are a number of suspicious elements to this story that are worth examining: https://medium.com/@siradrianbon…

The allegation that the virus originated in a lab is appealing but unfounded. Everybody would rather believe that our problems come from circumstances humans understand and control rather than the cold randomness of the universe. Though the virus and death it has caused is terrible, at least the fight against it unites humanity in a limited way. The groundless assertion that it originated in a lab recasts coronavirus into a human vs human problem and amplifies our political differences.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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This is laughable. Table 1 shows four alignments. The first two are only six contiguous residues, so can easily happen by chance. Three has multiple mistmatches as well as the gap (red). Four has an even larger gap to get the alignment. Take any two viruses and there's a decent likelihood of finding similar alignments.

Thanks honestly reassuring. - Some layman.

They don't appear to even be matching entire sequences. An analogy might be "these two web pages both contain *! oh no!" while completely disregarding everything in the middle.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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post #38

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Difficult to properly peer review when things are moving so quickly.

Plenty of things are being peer reviewed properly with this outbreak. But you can't take preprints in biology as any more holy writ than you can the occasional post on arXiv where someone claims to have come up with a complete unified model for physics, or solved a previously intractable problem.

True about the complete theory. I would suggest that proper review takes time though. Many eyes.

Re: Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

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The market resides in the heart of the city so it could be that there was some other route of transmission through carriers without symptoms, animals etc. To claim that this came from a lab certain requires more evidence than its mere existence. The whole RNA sequence is available online and so far no expert to my knowledge has claimed it looks synthetic.

I didn't read anything in the posted article that indicates that the China-based researchers think it came from a lab or looks synthetic. So I didn't understand why you are responding to a claim that they aren't making.
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