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A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Would it be correct to say your brother is also not the type to network with others easily? An automated system is the last-line in hiring; recommendations -- internal and external -- are the first-line. If one finds themselves in a position where they're manually submitting cold resumes, it's almost always more productive to start networking into the companies you want to work at, and getting the recommendation firs…

That would be correct. > recommendations -- internal and external -- are the first-line I'm afraid this is a very tech-centric view. Outside of a few specific industries or the very top levels, this is essentially unheard of. My brother's educational background is biomedical sciences so he's looking for essentially lab work doing analysis for a hospital, drug company, or similar. There are a fair few jobs doing it, b…

> There are a fair few jobs doing it, but they are relatively low level, have no "community", no real way to facilitate referrals

I’m only tangentially exposed to the biomedical field but I’m fairly sure this isn’t broadly true. I’m a member of a single cell RNA sequencing slack group whose members host a meetup twice a month. Most members work in wetlabs and many conduct research into the effects of various drugs on cancer.

The groups are probably harder to find (than programming meetups) but I doubt there are none of them.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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My brother has just finished a masters programme and is starting to apply for jobs, he's coming up against a lot of these. He's smart, motivated, very hard working, and has the necessary credentials on his CV, but when talking to him he's quite monotone and low energy. Because of this, he's failing these automated video interviews as he looks like he's not a "team player" or "personable". While interviewing practice…

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Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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My brother has just finished a masters programme and is starting to apply for jobs, he's coming up against a lot of these. He's smart, motivated, very hard working, and has the necessary credentials on his CV, but when talking to him he's quite monotone and low energy. Because of this, he's failing these automated video interviews as he looks like he's not a "team player" or "personable". While interviewing practice…

I had never heard of these video interview analysis methods prior to this thread. I think it’s at the very least way too early to rely on this and at the worst just... terrible. AST’s are already notoriously bad and this is just a whole new level of just plain bad. Time is precious, sure, but so are human relationships if time means anything. It’s like nuance was completely disregarded in the pursuit of corporate con…

I actually think these are a marvelous idea. Because if you ever encounter a company using one of these, you know for certain you don't want to ever work for them, as they don't value you even to just give you a normal interview, instead opting for an impersonal faulty machine.

Imagine the horror if you actually started working for them! If their hiring is this bad, their working conditions must be even worse! So it's pretty kind of them to reveal their true nature in such an easy to identify way. ;-)

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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I consult. When its remote, I sometimes recommend we have a person on the ground (at the customer plant) to coordinate and manage data. If they don't agree, I hire a graduate anyway and ask that a place be made in their office for them. Ultimately the client find them useful and they get hired on, because the client actually did need somebody to be expert in the new software. It's a responsibility to help young gradu…

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Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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The vast oversupply of talent has gotten so large employers can’t even be bothered to read resumes anymore: Ai will. This is what happens when ever larger percentage of society gets more and more degrees

If there's an oversupply of talent in tech then are H1Bs no longer being awarded? Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent. I'm honestly curious how both can be true. Who's lying, or is it simply unwillingness to train local talent?

There's an oversupply of people with great credentials, CVs, references and self-promotion skills and there's an undersupply of people actually willing to do the work.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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My brother has just finished a masters programme and is starting to apply for jobs, he's coming up against a lot of these. He's smart, motivated, very hard working, and has the necessary credentials on his CV, but when talking to him he's quite monotone and low energy. Because of this, he's failing these automated video interviews as he looks like he's not a "team player" or "personable". While interviewing practice…

>but when talking to him he's quite monotone and low energy. Because of this, he's failing these automated video interviews as he looks like he's not a "team player" or "personable".

i'm looking forward for the day when my AI "clone" - a very personable, cheerleader level bubbly and energetic deep-fake based of my face/voice - will charm away the dry pedantic HR AI on the other side of the screen.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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I had never heard of these video interview analysis methods prior to this thread. I think it’s at the very least way too early to rely on this and at the worst just... terrible. AST’s are already notoriously bad and this is just a whole new level of just plain bad. Time is precious, sure, but so are human relationships if time means anything. It’s like nuance was completely disregarded in the pursuit of corporate con…

They do sound terrible and I hope to never encounter one, but my brother made a good point: the NHS get something like 12k applications per week, they have an average of 25k job openings each month. They apparently can't deal with that manually, which does make some sense. I personally think they _should_ handle it manually, and if the system breaks we should fix it in another way because this way sucks, but I'm not…

12k apps for 25k job openings? So less than 1 app per job per week? Doesn't seem that challenging to deal with.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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the fear mongering in here is interesting. "secret, unproven" algorithms (much less intelligent than anything developed with machine learning) already control an individuals access to all sorts of things, like college, credit, insurance, etc. there is a positive side to approaching this problem and more humans is never going to be it.

Credit ratings aren’t secret.

no, the models that generate the scores are.
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