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A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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perl4ever wrote: post #59
thaumasiotes wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related: https://elaineou.com/2017/03/10/technical-interviews-from-th... > 2. A bill for 5 typewriter ribbons and 24 pencils totalled $9.85. If a typewriter ribbon costs $1.25, what is the price of a dozen pencils? > The IBM Programmer Aptitude Test is from 1960 (? I think. It’s tough to read the date on the mimeograph). Is it just me or have technical interviews gotten much harder? > I interviewed for a programmer j…

According to Purdue, the first computer science department in the US was established there in 1962, so of course in 1960 IBM wasn't that selective - they couldn't hire CS graduates. Maybe math majors. Also, I don't know when CS degrees became common among programmers, but it didn't happen right after they were invented, I'm sure.

Did anything in the material I quoted, or in the remainder of either article, refer to CS degrees or CS graduates?

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

danpalmer wrote: post #30

My brother has just finished a masters programme and is starting to apply for jobs, he's coming up against a lot of these. He's smart, motivated, very hard working, and has the necessary credentials on his CV, but when talking to him he's quite monotone and low energy. Because of this, he's failing these automated video interviews as he looks like he's not a "team player" or "personable". While interviewing practice…

I had never heard of these video interview analysis methods prior to this thread.

I think it’s at the very least way too early to rely on this and at the worst just... terrible.

AST’s are already notoriously bad and this is just a whole new level of just plain bad. Time is precious, sure, but so are human relationships if time means anything.

It’s like nuance was completely disregarded in the pursuit of corporate contracts.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Post by johnnycab »

bencollier49 wrote: post #47

Most probably unusable in the UK, as the AI won't be able to explain why it rejected a candidate ("why did you score them low for team working?") and the candidate will take the employer to the cleaners. God only knows what hidden variables it'll start discovering and exploiting. My guess is it'll reinforce well-known prejudices.

It will be hard to predict what will be considered unusable post-brexit. Although, I don't know how an algorithm will be able to adhere to a mish-mash of job requirements laid down by Dom Cummings for running the government, which involves assorted wierdos juxtaposed with data scientists and Y-Combinator alumni. However, if people like Uri Geller keep applying, it will at least keep the HR bods in gravy.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Post by retrac »

bencollier49 wrote: post #47

Most probably unusable in the UK, as the AI won't be able to explain why it rejected a candidate ("why did you score them low for team working?") and the candidate will take the employer to the cleaners. God only knows what hidden variables it'll start discovering and exploiting. My guess is it'll reinforce well-known prejudices.

I'm quite hard of hearing. I wonder what the algorithm's analysis of "facial expressions and the tonality of the job applicant's voice" would supposedly reveal about me.

Probably something actionable under the nondiscrimination laws here, thankfully.

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Post by empath75 »

danpalmer wrote: post #30

My brother has just finished a masters programme and is starting to apply for jobs, he's coming up against a lot of these. He's smart, motivated, very hard working, and has the necessary credentials on his CV, but when talking to him he's quite monotone and low energy. Because of this, he's failing these automated video interviews as he looks like he's not a "team player" or "personable". While interviewing practice…

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. And a terrible way to build a company and culture.

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Post by empath75 »

modzu wrote: post #27

the fear mongering in here is interesting. "secret, unproven" algorithms (much less intelligent than anything developed with machine learning) already control an individuals access to all sorts of things, like college, credit, insurance, etc. there is a positive side to approaching this problem and more humans is never going to be it.

Credit ratings aren’t secret.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Post by danpalmer »

austenallred wrote: post #45
danpalmer wrote: post #30

My brother has just finished a masters programme and is starting to apply for jobs, he's coming up against a lot of these. He's smart, motivated, very hard working, and has the necessary credentials on his CV, but when talking to him he's quite monotone and low energy. Because of this, he's failing these automated video interviews as he looks like he's not a "team player" or "personable". While interviewing practice…

Out of curiosity, how do you know that’s why he’s not being hired?

They give automated feedback about your rating.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Post by danpalmer »

endothrowho333 wrote: post #56
danpalmer wrote: post #30

My brother has just finished a masters programme and is starting to apply for jobs, he's coming up against a lot of these. He's smart, motivated, very hard working, and has the necessary credentials on his CV, but when talking to him he's quite monotone and low energy. Because of this, he's failing these automated video interviews as he looks like he's not a "team player" or "personable". While interviewing practice…

Would it be correct to say your brother is also not the type to network with others easily? An automated system is the last-line in hiring; recommendations -- internal and external -- are the first-line. If one finds themselves in a position where they're manually submitting cold resumes, it's almost always more productive to start networking into the companies you want to work at, and getting the recommendation firs…

That would be correct.

> recommendations -- internal and external -- are the first-line

I'm afraid this is a very tech-centric view. Outside of a few specific industries or the very top levels, this is essentially unheard of.

My brother's educational background is biomedical sciences so he's looking for essentially lab work doing analysis for a hospital, drug company, or similar. There are a fair few jobs doing it, but they are relatively low level, have no "community", no real way to facilitate referrals.

In tech it's easy to "network into companies" because companies are so open with their hiring – they hold events, they sponsor conferences that are priced so that people can pay their own entry, and there are community events where you can meet people from them. This is very far from the norm, until you get to the golf clubs where you can mingle with other execs.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Post by alasdair_ »

chrisseaton wrote: post #10
xiphias2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At Google machine learning was was always used for vetting the 100k+ applications per year that the HR team just doesn't have time to go through. The main goal was to filter people who have the biggest chance to go through the human interviews later in the process. The only reason why it's called ,,AI'' now is because it's trendy. It can be just a simple linear model that takes education (University) and GPA score in…

I wonder why ultra-elite companies like Google don't swap to a model where they reach out to people they want to hire, rather than accepting random applications?

> I wonder why ultra-elite companies like Google don't swap to a model where they reach out to people they want to hire, rather than accepting random applications?

This is exactly what happens. Most experienced engineers I know with a good resume get emails almost weekly from Google and Amazon in particular.

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