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I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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The idea of working to please an anonymous promotion committee is quite depressing. Why do this “pick me” dance when it’s completely within your control to get the job you want within a few weeks? By far the path of least resistance is simply to get a job and the promotion elsewhere. Or do something entrepreneurial like this guy and completely tie your skills and abilities to the rewards. As a talented engineer at Go…

Acutally that process seems more fair to me. Your direct managers only promote you if they don't see you as a threat to themselves.

Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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17 sounds a bit hardcore, maybe you are very young:) I'm currently doing the exact same route, but at about maybe 14. For those who doubt, please don't until you try it. I have no idea why, but I can actually put 14 into my own project and I feel completely great. I work maybe 6 days a week like this, get up in the morning and just code until I crash. I'm about a year into it now and I honestly don't feel any burnout…

I’ve experienced the same, though not 14 hours consistently. Are there any steps you take to avoid burnout? Also, are you coding all day? Or writing content etc?

Yes, I'm coding all day, but I'm very nice to myself and only do it if I feel up for it. I just naturally have 14 hours in me because it's my own business, which was the really surprising thing after seeing how 40 elsewhere made me feel. I think starting this without the skills to fully pull it off was really key. The learning I've had to do along the way has been really rewarding and has really broadened me out as a tech professional, so there has been this constant positive development in myself as I progress, which keeps me getting up ready to try hard again. No job I've ever had motivated me like this. One other thing I think is key is proper goals. I'm not shooting for a "startup", I want a small business. I want to put something out that actually solves a problem, does it well, and make an honest living off it. I don't think I will ever sell my company for 100 million, but I do think I can make a living and offer myself a nicer working life than I've experienced in the corporate world. That is motivation enough for me.

Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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Now granted, I never worked at Google, but I've worked for several F500 companies through the years. I made a promise that I'll never work for one ever again because this corporate structure and bloat tend to engineer promotions and reward through things that do not actually benefit the company. His work, which was useful to the company essentially got reworked into something that impressed the "promotion committee".…

If you're at a corporation you should figure out which game you're playing. Are you there to "benefit the company" or get "promoted and rewarded"? Make a decision but they are different paths leading different directions.

Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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> it is just slavery If working a cushy tech job is slavery then what would be working at a sand mine in cameroon called ?

Much of the workforce 1. cannot take a couple of days off, without informing their boss much in advance 2. cannot work on something in their off time, on their own computers without employer claiming ownership of it (I am talking specifically about software here) 3. cannot take a unpaid month off, to travel or just rest, for example without losing their jobs 4. have no hope of receiving pension, decent medical benefi…

I am a white, upper/middle class Texan with family who are borderline racists, and you are FLAT WRONG my friend.

I suggest some travel in your near future.

Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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This sounds like a feature, not a bug - it prevents extroverts who suck up to a boss always stepping over introverts who do a better job.

And yet in one short article the OP perfectly summed up who google sucks at making long term software that continues to work. People often say that google rewards for new projects and ideas vs maintaining the old, I didn’t really understand what that meant until he explained it here. Doing good work is meaningless, the only that matters is what some faceless committee thinks. What’s odd is that the committee doesn’t…

Except that this is one view.

The committees were changed a few years ago to no longer be "faceless" for most engineers. Now committees are made up of managers who work fairly near you in the org chart.

I work in an org that is explicitly tasked with a huge amount of maintenance and refactoring work. Our promo rates have historically been higher than other orgs. There is a very widespread belief that things like code quality don't matter at all for promos but it doesn't bear out in the numbers.

Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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post #103

Now granted, I never worked at Google, but I've worked for several F500 companies through the years. I made a promise that I'll never work for one ever again because this corporate structure and bloat tend to engineer promotions and reward through things that do not actually benefit the company. His work, which was useful to the company essentially got reworked into something that impressed the "promotion committee".…

If you're at a corporation you should figure out which game you're playing. Are you there to "benefit the company" or get "promoted and rewarded"? Make a decision but they are different paths leading different directions.

Those are equally terrifying statements to what the user above said.

Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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there are thousands of chainsaws and rocket engines ready to take your place.

Really? So why does everyone complain about engineering shortage?

Sorry, you're right, I should rethink my argument. Billion dollar businesses aren't made on chainsaws and rocket engines. They're mostly made in conference rooms by salespeople with capitol. So, identifying as a chainsaw or rocket engine is basically just an admitting that you're a tool willing to work for less than what the salespeople think what your labor is worth.

You aren't going to change the world as an IC. If you're really a 10x engineer, maybe put that 9x difference back into learning how to market yourself or a product, if you really want to make a difference.

Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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And yet in one short article the OP perfectly summed up who google sucks at making long term software that continues to work. People often say that google rewards for new projects and ideas vs maintaining the old, I didn’t really understand what that meant until he explained it here. Doing good work is meaningless, the only that matters is what some faceless committee thinks. What’s odd is that the committee doesn’t…

Remember that you're reading an anectodal accounting of a single person who got rejected while working in a single team. There might be bias there :)

I worked at google for 10 years and I can relate to the author 100%. I was promoted however.

Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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> it is just slavery If working a cushy tech job is slavery then what would be working at a sand mine in cameroon called ?

Much of the workforce 1. cannot take a couple of days off, without informing their boss much in advance 2. cannot work on something in their off time, on their own computers without employer claiming ownership of it (I am talking specifically about software here) 3. cannot take a unpaid month off, to travel or just rest, for example without losing their jobs 4. have no hope of receiving pension, decent medical benefi…

But the thread is about Google.

Google offers unpaid time off, 12 weeks of maternal and paternal leave (more if you are a birth parent), is generally on the more flexible side of IP rights for a US company, provides decent medical benefits, and has a promo system through committees explicitly to minimize the amount of politicking one needs to do.

Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet in one short article the OP perfectly summed up who google sucks at making long term software that continues to work. People often say that google rewards for new projects and ideas vs maintaining the old, I didn’t really understand what that meant until he explained it here. Doing good work is meaningless, the only that matters is what some faceless committee thinks. What’s odd is that the committee doesn’t…

Remember that you're reading an anectodal accounting of a single person who got rejected while working in a single team. There might be bias there :)

There is indeed bias, but working at a company with a similar committee process, the committee process does indeed introduce its own series of biases and failure modes.

For example, depending on how the committee is chosen and the size of the company, you might still be known to the committee.

Popularity therefore still matters a great deal.

This isalso why my work inbox is chock full of weekly, biweekly, and monthly updates to products and features that are completely irrelevant to me, my team, or even my domain.

Complexity is hard to measure and somewhat subjective, but might be an important metric for promotion.

With potentially less specific domain knowledge available to the committee, something that seems easy might be extremely complex or vice versa.

Maybe you make something so easy and configuration driven engineers can delegate to non-engineers.

Now your job looks easy, but it took months of research to come up with a schema that can encode global tax rules (made up example) and only a few weeks to move hardcoded logic to the configuration and a couple days to build a UI on top.

Now engineers never touch tax rules ever again and deliver actual value in other domains. Your team remains small, possibly even shrinking as a result of your work.

But the Nth rewrite of $INTERNAL_LOGGING_FRAMEWORK has all kinds of sexy QPS, memory consumption, process time, etc. metrics to sell.

Right or wrong, I can say from experience the rewrite tends to get the promotion unless the tax guy writes a really compelling story in just the right way.

Humans are humans, be they managers or committee members.

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