The idea of working to please an anonymous promotion committee is quite depressing. Why do this “pick me” dance when it’s completely within your control to get the job you want within a few weeks? By far the path of least resistance is simply to get a job and the promotion elsewhere. Or do something entrepreneurial like this guy and completely tie your skills and abilities to the rewards. As a talented engineer at Go…
I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)
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Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
17 sounds a bit hardcore, maybe you are very young:) I'm currently doing the exact same route, but at about maybe 14. For those who doubt, please don't until you try it. I have no idea why, but I can actually put 14 into my own project and I feel completely great. I work maybe 6 days a week like this, get up in the morning and just code until I crash. I'm about a year into it now and I honestly don't feel any burnout…
I’ve experienced the same, though not 14 hours consistently. Are there any steps you take to avoid burnout? Also, are you coding all day? Or writing content etc?
Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)
#103Now granted, I never worked at Google, but I've worked for several F500 companies through the years. I made a promise that I'll never work for one ever again because this corporate structure and bloat tend to engineer promotions and reward through things that do not actually benefit the company. His work, which was useful to the company essentially got reworked into something that impressed the "promotion committee".…
Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it is just slavery If working a cushy tech job is slavery then what would be working at a sand mine in cameroon called ?
Much of the workforce 1. cannot take a couple of days off, without informing their boss much in advance 2. cannot work on something in their off time, on their own computers without employer claiming ownership of it (I am talking specifically about software here) 3. cannot take a unpaid month off, to travel or just rest, for example without losing their jobs 4. have no hope of receiving pension, decent medical benefi…
I suggest some travel in your near future.
Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
This sounds like a feature, not a bug - it prevents extroverts who suck up to a boss always stepping over introverts who do a better job.
And yet in one short article the OP perfectly summed up who google sucks at making long term software that continues to work. People often say that google rewards for new projects and ideas vs maintaining the old, I didn’t really understand what that meant until he explained it here. Doing good work is meaningless, the only that matters is what some faceless committee thinks. What’s odd is that the committee doesn’t…
The committees were changed a few years ago to no longer be "faceless" for most engineers. Now committees are made up of managers who work fairly near you in the org chart.
I work in an org that is explicitly tasked with a huge amount of maintenance and refactoring work. Our promo rates have historically been higher than other orgs. There is a very widespread belief that things like code quality don't matter at all for promos but it doesn't bear out in the numbers.
Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)
#106Now granted, I never worked at Google, but I've worked for several F500 companies through the years. I made a promise that I'll never work for one ever again because this corporate structure and bloat tend to engineer promotions and reward through things that do not actually benefit the company. His work, which was useful to the company essentially got reworked into something that impressed the "promotion committee".…
If you're at a corporation you should figure out which game you're playing. Are you there to "benefit the company" or get "promoted and rewarded"? Make a decision but they are different paths leading different directions.
Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
there are thousands of chainsaws and rocket engines ready to take your place.
Really? So why does everyone complain about engineering shortage?
You aren't going to change the world as an IC. If you're really a 10x engineer, maybe put that 9x difference back into learning how to market yourself or a product, if you really want to make a difference.
Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet in one short article the OP perfectly summed up who google sucks at making long term software that continues to work. People often say that google rewards for new projects and ideas vs maintaining the old, I didn’t really understand what that meant until he explained it here. Doing good work is meaningless, the only that matters is what some faceless committee thinks. What’s odd is that the committee doesn’t…
Remember that you're reading an anectodal accounting of a single person who got rejected while working in a single team. There might be bias there :)
Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it is just slavery If working a cushy tech job is slavery then what would be working at a sand mine in cameroon called ?
Much of the workforce 1. cannot take a couple of days off, without informing their boss much in advance 2. cannot work on something in their off time, on their own computers without employer claiming ownership of it (I am talking specifically about software here) 3. cannot take a unpaid month off, to travel or just rest, for example without losing their jobs 4. have no hope of receiving pension, decent medical benefi…
Google offers unpaid time off, 12 weeks of maternal and paternal leave (more if you are a birth parent), is generally on the more flexible side of IP rights for a US company, provides decent medical benefits, and has a promo system through committees explicitly to minimize the amount of politicking one needs to do.
Re: I Quit Google to Work for Myself (2018)
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet in one short article the OP perfectly summed up who google sucks at making long term software that continues to work. People often say that google rewards for new projects and ideas vs maintaining the old, I didn’t really understand what that meant until he explained it here. Doing good work is meaningless, the only that matters is what some faceless committee thinks. What’s odd is that the committee doesn’t…
Remember that you're reading an anectodal accounting of a single person who got rejected while working in a single team. There might be bias there :)
For example, depending on how the committee is chosen and the size of the company, you might still be known to the committee.
Popularity therefore still matters a great deal.
This isalso why my work inbox is chock full of weekly, biweekly, and monthly updates to products and features that are completely irrelevant to me, my team, or even my domain.
Complexity is hard to measure and somewhat subjective, but might be an important metric for promotion.
With potentially less specific domain knowledge available to the committee, something that seems easy might be extremely complex or vice versa.
Maybe you make something so easy and configuration driven engineers can delegate to non-engineers.
Now your job looks easy, but it took months of research to come up with a schema that can encode global tax rules (made up example) and only a few weeks to move hardcoded logic to the configuration and a couple days to build a UI on top.
Now engineers never touch tax rules ever again and deliver actual value in other domains. Your team remains small, possibly even shrinking as a result of your work.
But the Nth rewrite of $INTERNAL_LOGGING_FRAMEWORK has all kinds of sexy QPS, memory consumption, process time, etc. metrics to sell.
Right or wrong, I can say from experience the rewrite tends to get the promotion unless the tax guy writes a really compelling story in just the right way.
Humans are humans, be they managers or committee members.