Sure, after spending hundreds of dollars on a device, it only seems fair that the vendor exploit your personal information so that credit companies and anyone willing and able to buy the data can compile a dossier on you.
Facebook does not sell data.
If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads
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Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads
#102I am not sure what is the big deal here. When WhatsApp improved its popularity by claiming "privacy is important, no ads" etc and then did a U turn it was actually noteworthy and newsworthy. I don't think Oculus ever made such claims. They were happy to "sell out" [1]. If anything, they seem to be proud members of the Facebook cult [2]. If you bought the Oculus, you knew exactly what you were getting. Also, a side no…
> Also, a side note: I just suppose that everyone who supports Facebook at this point benefit from Facebook's profits in some way (e.g. FB employees, FB ecosystem consultants, close partners such as Microsoft etc) and automatically discount their opinions about Facebook. I was gonna upvote you, but this was unnecessary. It’s possible for someone to be positive towards something you see as a negative. People hate Trum…
Yeah, not to mention that you can benefit from FB without being one of their employees or close partners. Just buy some stock next time it crashes bc they get caught using data they weren’t supposed to!
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#103When I bought an Oculus Quest, the fact that Oculus is owned by Facebook was slightly bothersome, but I honestly don't care a whole lot about this particular data at this particular time (basically just game playing). It's Facebook Horizon[1] that's the worrisome thing. I'm pretty sure they're trying to build the OASIS from Ready Player One. [1]: https://www.oculus.com/facebookhorizon/
I mean, Zuckerberg's expressed a love for Ready Player One, so it's not far-fetched.
Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook is well known for such claims, about Instagram, WhatsApp and other things. Data inference may very well be done locally.
So you think they are lying in a legally-binding document? If that's the case, they would be doing this already and this change would be irrelevant.
The article cites answers they had received from Facebook, not "legally-binding document".
Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads
#105FB ads engineer here. Every time I read these threads, I'm 1. Flattered by how sophisticated HN thinks our systems are (they're not. and we're not that smart. FB's A-team stopped working on ads a long time ago) 2. Entertained by how HN thinks ad targeting works (we don't want to know everything about YOU. we want to know basic info about all of our users.) Hypertargeting doesn't work. Targeting small audiences doesn'…
"2. Entertained by how HN thinks ad targeting works (we don't want to know everything about YOU. we want to know basic info about all of our users.)" I'm sorry but this sounds so naive to me. As you say in your last paragraph Facebook was tracking a ton of info about everyone. This is why a lot of people distrust Facebook. You might find this entertaining but this happens when you spy on people. We can't know what Fa…
You might want to look up what was up with Cambridge Analytica - Michael Lewis has one of episodes in Against the Rules (podcast) - it's a good place to start.
There was nothing at all. No predictive power. Total waste of money and it's funny this example keeps coming up
Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
>FB ads engineer here. Just wanted to stop by and say that your work is actively making the world a worse place to live, and you should feel bad about it. I hope those RSUs are worth your soul.
You know what really makes the world a worse place - in-app purchases. Ads meh, I can take them or leave them (I pay a lot for content), but in-app purchases show no mercy.
Respectfully, I disagree. In-app purchases as an architecture gives me a chance to try out the software, and then purchase it to make the ads go away. That's a compromise I like quite a bit. It's a lot cleaner than having one paid- and one ad-supported version of the same app, too.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
> subsidize internet access in the developing world Are you talking about Facebook's abuse of power to strengthen its monopoly position in developing nations? If so, 83% of voters in the USA thinks what you are describing as "subsidy" should be illegal here[1], and it would better be described as neo-colonialism than a subsidy. Is there some other way in which facebook is "subsidizing internet access"? [1] https://th…
I don’t think OP is talking net neutrality, but Internet.org
I assumed he/she was. Internet.org is in direct opposition to the principle of net neutrality.
Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
"2. Entertained by how HN thinks ad targeting works (we don't want to know everything about YOU. we want to know basic info about all of our users.)" I'm sorry but this sounds so naive to me. As you say in your last paragraph Facebook was tracking a ton of info about everyone. This is why a lot of people distrust Facebook. You might find this entertaining but this happens when you spy on people. We can't know what Fa…
You might want to look up what was up with Cambridge Analytica - Michael Lewis has one of episodes in Against the Rules (podcast) - it's a good place to start. There was nothing at all. No predictive power. Total waste of money and it's funny this example keeps coming up
That it didn't help CA doesn't matter.
What matters is that you can target specific people when you have a lot of money because Facebook gathers/gathered that data.
Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads
#109FB ads engineer here. Every time I read these threads, I'm 1. Flattered by how sophisticated HN thinks our systems are (they're not. and we're not that smart. FB's A-team stopped working on ads a long time ago) 2. Entertained by how HN thinks ad targeting works (we don't want to know everything about YOU. we want to know basic info about all of our users.) Hypertargeting doesn't work. Targeting small audiences doesn'…
Honestly, it doesn’t matter what you think or how cozy you feel with your employer. Fact is it will now be requiring users to cede their identity and data, where it was not required before. Whether FB uses the data or not is irrelevant.
Selling my Oculus as soon as the Index comes down in price a bit. Thanks for the ride.
Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads
#110FB ads engineer here. Every time I read these threads, I'm 1. Flattered by how sophisticated HN thinks our systems are (they're not. and we're not that smart. FB's A-team stopped working on ads a long time ago) 2. Entertained by how HN thinks ad targeting works (we don't want to know everything about YOU. we want to know basic info about all of our users.) Hypertargeting doesn't work. Targeting small audiences doesn'…
>FB ads engineer here. Just wanted to stop by and say that your work is actively making the world a worse place to live, and you should feel bad about it. I hope those RSUs are worth your soul.
Personal attacks like this will get you banned here. Not cool.
For most people, their work is the thing they know most about. If a person shows up here to discuss that and is met with this sort of harassment, it disincentivizes them—and probably others reading—to contribute about what they know. That makes HN strictly worse.
I know the counterargument for posting like this, but there are lots of places on the internet where shaming is the norm, and you can take this there. This is a community where shaming is not the norm (please see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), and we're not going to let that slide.
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