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If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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Yes. However, it is not apparent which inferences are possible to make with this kind of sensor data. How invasive might this become?

> How invasive might this become? Brain-wave-scanning kind of invasive. FB (and advertising in general) will continue to become ever more invasive until it meets a limiting factor. That limiting factor will possibly be legislation (just not in the US because worshiping the Dollar overrides anything and everything else).

Do we know the first thing about how brain waves correlate to any real world properties of a person? If Facebook or anyone else can crack brain waves, ie in a sense "read your mind", it seems like serving ads is the least of our worries, but also pretty exciting in terms of the potential positive applications.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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I am not sure what is the big deal here.

When WhatsApp improved its popularity by claiming "privacy is important, no ads" etc and then did a U turn it was actually noteworthy and newsworthy.

I don't think Oculus ever made such claims. They were happy to "sell out" [1]. If anything, they seem to be proud members of the Facebook cult [2].

If you bought the Oculus, you knew exactly what you were getting.

Also, a side note: I just suppose that everyone who supports Facebook at this point benefit from Facebook's profits in some way (e.g. FB employees, FB ecosystem consultants, close partners such as Microsoft etc) and automatically discount their opinions about Facebook.

[1] https://www.vox.com/2014/3/25/11624928/facebook-buys-oculus-...

[2] https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/facebook-oculus-privacy...

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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Valve won't collect data?

They might, but they don't have facebooks apparatus or motivation for turning it into ads on unrelated web pages.

Do they need to own the apparatus? I search for a product on Google, I click on a search result, navigating to a retailer's site. That site knows not only what I'm looking at but what I was searching for. By way of third party cookies it knows who I am and it sends that info back to FB and the next time I'm on Instagram I'm getting ads from that category. The retailer I visited didn't have to own the FB ad network to play a role.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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Sure, after spending hundreds of dollars on a device, it only seems fair that the vendor exploit your personal information so that credit companies and anyone willing and able to buy the data can compile a dossier on you.

Facebook does not sell data.

Neither did the Stasi.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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The article also says Facebook claims that data is remaining local and will not be used for advertising.

Facebook is well known for such claims, about Instagram, WhatsApp and other things. Data inference may very well be done locally.

So you think they are lying in a legally-binding document? If that's the case, they would be doing this already and this change would be irrelevant.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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I am not sure what is the big deal here. When WhatsApp improved its popularity by claiming "privacy is important, no ads" etc and then did a U turn it was actually noteworthy and newsworthy. I don't think Oculus ever made such claims. They were happy to "sell out" [1]. If anything, they seem to be proud members of the Facebook cult [2]. If you bought the Oculus, you knew exactly what you were getting. Also, a side no…

> Also, a side note: I just suppose that everyone who supports Facebook at this point benefit from Facebook's profits in some way (e.g. FB employees, FB ecosystem consultants, close partners such as Microsoft etc) and automatically discount their opinions about Facebook.

I was gonna upvote you, but this was unnecessary. It’s possible for someone to be positive towards something you see as a negative. People hate Trump and he has supporters. Whether you agree with them or not, not all of them are benefiting from the Trump Administration

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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And this is the reason I never touch anything that has a connection to Facebook. No surprise really but it irks me as I wanted the rift some time ago but then Facebook bought it. Luckily it seems like Valve Index will be a good alternative.

Valve won't collect data?

Luckily the Valve Index is much superior to the rift lineup, so you’re not sacrificing anything to stay far away from facebook.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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FB ads engineer here.

Every time I read these threads, I'm 1. Flattered by how sophisticated HN thinks our systems are (they're not. and we're not that smart. FB's A-team stopped working on ads a long time ago) 2. Entertained by how HN thinks ad targeting works (we don't want to know everything about YOU. we want to know basic info about all of our users.)

Hypertargeting doesn't work. Targeting small audiences doesn't provide marketing scale and is extremely expensive. The goal is to have the biggest possible audience, while still applying one or two critical filters. You could hit all 1000 people in a pool for $100 each, or you can hit 1000 people in a pool of 1 million for 50 cents each.

The main priority here is to enable "Show ads to people who own an Oculus" level targeting. This means that people selling VR-adjacent services, products, and content can reliably advertise to their core market without wasting money on non-users. Or maybe they can filter out that segment to show different ads to non-users that convince them to buy their first device. I know most on HN hate any level of targeting, but this has a massive benefit to the VR ecosystem because it allows VR companies to reach their customers much more effectively and sell more products.

FB is actually stripping away features from our targeting system and removing inputs because we spend too much compute power ($$) driving optimizations that don't have any material impact on delivery value. Basic is better. There's no meaningful business value to capturing biometrics or pictures of things in your home. Also, ethics. We do actually think about that a lot these days - it just took us a while to clean up short-sighted product decisions made a decade ago.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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They might, but they don't have facebooks apparatus or motivation for turning it into ads on unrelated web pages.

Do they need to own the apparatus? I search for a product on Google, I click on a search result, navigating to a retailer's site. That site knows not only what I'm looking at but what I was searching for. By way of third party cookies it knows who I am and it sends that info back to FB and the next time I'm on Instagram I'm getting ads from that category. The retailer I visited didn't have to own the FB ad network to…

I don't think valve does any of that, and even if it did it has access to way less data then FB (which owns instagram and whatsapp) which basically know your location, who you talk to and when, your centers of interest, political orientation, &c. Valve, at least for now, is mostly concerned about selling games. Collecting data in itself isn't bad, imho the issue is the centralisation and what the data is used for. I'd feel much more confident giving a little data to Valve than enlarging the humongous dataset of facebook.

Re: If Logged into Facebook, Oculus VR Data Will Now Be Used for Ads

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Valve won't collect data?

They might, but they don't have facebooks apparatus or motivation for turning it into ads on unrelated web pages.

Every company that has your data will either sell it or else they're in enough verticals that it makes more sense for them to monetize it internally. It amounts to the same thing.
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