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Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by vtail »

rhizome wrote: post #99
vtail wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why this move should piss off anybody in the OSS community. Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders. They may or may not support and/or promote OSS projects as they see fit, same as every one of us. It's their free choice.

Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders. This is not a fact, it's merely an article of faith of the religion known as Capitalism.

That is a certain world view, indeed. Milton Friedman had an excellent argumentation defending this world view: http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/libertarians/issues/fr...

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by jpcx01 »

jasim wrote: post #78

RubyMine just tweeted: "We welcome all NetBeans users to start evaluating RubyMine as your new Ruby/Rails IDE! Expect some great news very soon on our pricing page!" It is a good product and superior to NetBeans in many ways. The price was a little on the higher side though (but worth it anyways). If it comes down, I expect RubyMine to become the de-facto IDE for Ruby/Rails.

Yep, I think consolidation in the Ruby IDE space will be a good thing. All the super elite people are using VIM / Emacs, and all the lazy people like me are still using Textmate. If RubyMine can develop a decent size community around it (with plugins, snippets, colors, etc), I'd definitely use it.

They really have to speed it up though. Feels like slogging through mud when compared to TextMate. Not sure if its possible given their java codebase.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by jpcx01 »

vladev wrote: post #6
mjuhl24 wrote: post #3

Any suggestions on an alternative IDE?

RadRails: http://aptana.com/products/radrails (although it's Eclipse based, so it might not be what you need). I'm wondering how come Oracle hasn't kill NetBeans yet? Considering the effort they've put into Eclipse and the a holes they are this seems a logical move.

They've been bought by AppCelerator so I highly doubt their longterm focus is going to be on Ruby. Will probably mainly be Javascript (to support Titanium Mobile)

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by jrockway »

vtail wrote: post #100
ebtalley wrote: post #98

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Look at what kind of headway corporations like google have made in the mind of consumers when they go above and beyond the shareholder mantra. Oracle might make short term gains on their terms but they have started to poison a whole new generation of developers.

Oracle is not a person to make such a decision; it is its shareholders who should decide how they want to spend their money. I wouldn't want to have a tax (as an Oracle investor or a private citizen) to support OSS. I may want to contribute my money and/or code as a donation , but that will be my own choice.

I don't want to support Oracle's sailboat racing. So, I don't own any Oracle shares. Pretty simple, isn't it?

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by cubicle67 »

w1ntermute wrote: post #54
fierarul wrote: post #48

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The OSS community for Hudson (actually, CloudBees) is forking Hudson against Oracle's will. RoR support is just dropped due to various constraints and the community is actually encouraged to intervene: >However, we strongly encourage our community of NetBeans Ruby users and developers to volunteer to take on development of Ruby on Rails support for the NetBeans IDE. I'm curious if people will pick up RoR support or j…

How widely is NetBeans used by the RoR community? I'm (purely) guessing not very widely at all.

I've been using NetBeans on Linux as my main Rails IDE for the last few years. I kinda like netbeans, but I've been using it since about v4 so I'm somewhat accustomed to it.

Features I make use of: project navigation, file navigation, syntax highlighting, jump to a declaration, re-indent and very occasional code-complete (mostly for css)

Features I don't use: everything else. I always have a terminal window open with about 5/6 tabs from which i do all my generations, migrations, console, server etc. I use RVM and NetBeans doesn't seem to play nicely with that

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by Prolorn »

vtail wrote: post #97
msy wrote: post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

I don't understand why this move should piss off anybody in the OSS community. Oracle is a private company and as such has only obligations to its shareholders. They may or may not support and/or promote OSS projects as they see fit, same as every one of us. It's their free choice.

That they are free to make this choice doesn't mean the community needs to roll over in accepting it. A response to this news that doesn't indicate displeasure would lack integrity.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by lmz »

mechanical_fish wrote: post #16
davidw wrote: post #11

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Emacs + various extensions and goodies.

This is the killer feature of tools like emacs and vi: Your vendor cannot abandon you and the code has a well-proven capability to be ported to just about any platform.

"Your vendor cannot abandon you" is also true for NetBeans. Isn't the source code out there somewhere?

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by cgoddard »

kellishaver wrote: post #88
sigzero wrote: post #75

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"Second: Although our Ruby support has historically been well received, based on existing low usage trends we are unable to justify the continued allocation of resources to support the feature." I would say, not a whole lot according to their trend analysis.

I don't agree with some of the things Oracle has done as of late, but that seems quite reasonable to me. If usage levels are quite low, then it is a waste of time to keep devoting resources to it. Anecdotally, I don't know of a single RoR developer who uses Netbeans. Vim, Textmate and Emacs seem to be the editors of choice.

Our office uses Netbeans for Ruby on Rails. It has worked quite well up until now.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by empire29 »

I'm sure there's much more to it, but my initial reaction was to think it was oracle snubbing salesforce in their acquisition of heroku. In the enterprise (which sf targets) oracle is revered, and a robust oracle IDE does help give credibility to ruby/rails. Aptana and ruby mine are the only other ruby/rails IDE's that your run of the mill IT manager would consider full-featured im aware of, and neither of them are backed by a brand as respected in the enterprise as oracle.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by jarin »

mosburger wrote: post #68
w1ntermute wrote: post #54

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How widely is NetBeans used by the RoR community? I'm (purely) guessing not very widely at all.

I do JRuby/Rails development. Typically I'm in emacs (Aquamacs, actually), but I've used NetBeans occasionally when I wanted to use the debugger... beats the hell out of tracing w/ Rails.logger.

http://rubygems.org/gems/ruby-debug

Works with JRuby too :)

Just start your Rails server with --debugger and put 'debugger' anywhere in your Rails code that you want a breakpoint at.

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