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Post by account73466 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #73
account73466 wrote: post #58

Many of my scientific works were plagiarized by Chinese researchers. However, I still don't buy the hate on China that is dominant in media and here on Hacker News. Basically, i) the US wants to forbid other countries to have a chance to win in pure capitalistic games. Thus, it will block strong investors from certain countries but let itself to invest in the same countries. ii) the US (e.g., agencies and private fir…

> i) the US wants to forbid other countries to have a chance to win in pure capitalistic games. Thus, it will block strong investors from certain countries but let itself to invest in the same countries. Don’t you mean China instead of the US? They invest in America what they won’t let America invest in China, especially in tech. China is hardly an open market itself.

China is the world's second largest country by foreign investment mainly performed via Hong Kong.

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#102

Post by jsnider3 »

empath75 wrote: post #70
50656E6973 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Do you actually have something concrete in mind here Ideals codified in law. For example, the 1rst and 2nd Amendments. When generalizing with national boundaries, I of course do not mean to imply that literally everyone born within those imaginary lines thinks the same. Are there more specific categories I could use for these ideological classifications?

I think it’s probably better to think of those enlightenment ideals as not something particularly western in nature as they were opposed violently for centuries by the entrenched power structures of the west.

And they're still opposed by large amounts of Westerners.

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Post by [deleted] »

DeonPenny wrote: post #97
yourbandsucks wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China's record for the last 40 years is lifting billions of people out of poverty while we stomped around bombing places and killing millions in the name of exporting our awesome values. Oh, and our infra is falling apart compared to theirs while we spend all our money on bombs. Let's make a compromise -- China can run their country and we can run ours. Is that so controversial?

They put those people in poverty in the first place during the cultural revolution.

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#104

Post by coenhyde »

dirtyid wrote: post #44
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

Yes, US should take China more seriously, but don't conflate US geopolitical interests with the West. China seeking security via regional hegemony is not an attack on Western values. Undermining US supremacy is not an attack on "the west" - western bloc countries have various interests that doesn't align with American interests, i.e. ME wars, Nordstrom 2, The fact that 3/5 FiveEyes countries haven't banned Huawei. Bu…

It's disappointing that you were downvoted so much without a response. Really i think you just hurt the egos of Americans.

I believe a stronger Europe and stronger western bloc is key to curbing China. The USA is close to peak economic and military might, but we only have 310 million people. China has 1.4 billion. Extrapolating current trends, it is inevitable that China becomes the world super power. Most likely bankrupting the USA in the process. Similar patterns to USA overtaking the UK, or USSR.

To make a stronger Europe, Europe should federalize its military. Then to make a stronger western bloc, there should be tighter economic integration between Europe and US. This would involve freer movement of people and some kind North Atlantic economic zone. Then the western bloc has close to a billion people powering its might. That is a good counter weight to China. But if everyone deals with China individually, we all loose.

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Post by account73466 »

dtwest wrote: post #75
account73466 wrote: post #58

Many of my scientific works were plagiarized by Chinese researchers. However, I still don't buy the hate on China that is dominant in media and here on Hacker News. Basically, i) the US wants to forbid other countries to have a chance to win in pure capitalistic games. Thus, it will block strong investors from certain countries but let itself to invest in the same countries. ii) the US (e.g., agencies and private fir…

There are no "pure" capitalistic games being played. The US and China interfere to varying degrees. Talking about slavery in this context is also ridiculous.

I am talking about economic slavery when you get 10 cents for a $1 product that you produce. The rest is taken by intermediates and tariffs of various kinds.

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Post by themagician »

president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

War was lost a decade ago. The United States is completely dependent on China. Big companies need China because it’s the only place left they can get double digit growth and small companies need China because it’s the only place they can get things made—either in part or in whole—and be competitive.

Capitalism ate itself. All China had to do was play the game.

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Post by mike00632 »

50656E6973 wrote: post #66
knzhou wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always wondered what people mean by "Chinese ideals". As a Chinese person myself, all 4 of your options are things that I oppose. I find myself consistently on the side of individuality, privacy, free speech, and self defense, when arguing against Americans that disagree. In fact I'm doing that right now in another thread in the process of defending yet another undefendable scoundrel, Facebook. Do you actually…

>Do you actually have something concrete in mind here Ideals codified in law. For example, the 1rst and 2nd Amendments. When generalizing with national boundaries, I of course do not mean to imply that literally everyone born within those imaginary lines thinks the same. Are there more specific categories I could use for these ideological classifications?

Actually, China has many of the same ideals codified into law that the West has.

https://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article2

>Article 35. Freedom of speech, press, assembly Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.

The reasons why people in both societies enjoy those rights differently is much more complicated than just whether they are codified.

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Post by [deleted] »

50656E6973 wrote: post #56
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

>Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. Perhaps it's because Big Tech is full of people who favor Chinese ideals over Western Enlightenment/American ideals, such as: -Group identity over individuality -Mass tracking/surveillance over privacy -Cenorship over free speech -State control/power over self defense

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Post by leakybit »

oitudgiyters wrote: post #47
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

What I don’t understand is how we got into this situation in the first place. We know how powerful the US intelligence agencies are. The fact that the CIA has been able to install leaders in previously hostile governments shows their competence. Aside from Iran, most of their operations were successful. Even in their missteps, they were able to limit its influence in the region. So how did it come to this? Why does i…

Politicians couldn't see through the illusion of free markets and capitalism.

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#110

Post by president »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #74
president wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think OP meant "they" in reference to the CCP kleptocracy more broadly

But you and they are calling maoism and dengism "basically the same thing". That's about half a degree from calling communism and capitalism the same thing. With Chinese characteristics for both, of course. Anybody who knew China would know exactly why I picked 40 years. It's 2 very different governments. So I get that you'd consider them "the enemy" in both cases but could this be a teachable moment? How has America…

We get it, you hate the US and love China.
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