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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by therein »

yes_man wrote: post #17
zzzcpan wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starlink is more vulnerable to governments than VPNs and is going to be much much more expensive.

Big social media companies could offer an API that offers a list of IPs that serve the app and any data it needs from an unblocked source. Then if you're under oppression by a malevolent leadership that blocks a social media, it could be so that you only need to hook your Twitter or Facebook app to internet via Starlink for the millisecond it takes to fetch the unblocked IPs, and the app would be configured to automa…

Censorship resistant DNS over Starlink could be pretty useful and cost effective.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by pas »

spoiledtechie wrote: post #85
ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

Its a CIVIL war that has been raging for the last 200 years. It won't stop anytime soon until there is diplomacy. Real diplomacy and HARD diplomacy is needed here. It can't be stopped unless people sit down and talk things out.

Why would Erdogan sit down with a minority when he has the resources to just totally oppress them?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by throwaway5752 »

_xnmw wrote: post #70
ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

> There's an official denial of a "green light" Have you considered the possibility that a green light was, in fact, not given, and that Putin has simply outmanoeuvred America in this case? I think the evidence points towards Russian intel backing Turkey's latest operation. America completely failed to implement her interests in the region partly due the absolute mess of her internal politics, e.g. a still completely…

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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

#105

Post by netsharc »

_xnmw wrote: post #70
ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

> There's an official denial of a "green light" Have you considered the possibility that a green light was, in fact, not given, and that Putin has simply outmanoeuvred America in this case? I think the evidence points towards Russian intel backing Turkey's latest operation. America completely failed to implement her interests in the region partly due the absolute mess of her internal politics, e.g. a still completely…

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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by WaxProlix »

luxuryballs wrote: post #78
_xnmw wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's an official denial of a "green light" Have you considered the possibility that a green light was, in fact, not given, and that Putin has simply outmanoeuvred America in this case? I think the evidence points towards Russian intel backing Turkey's latest operation. America completely failed to implement her interests in the region partly due the absolute mess of her internal politics, e.g. a still completely…

I think the idea that US tax payers funding a military effort that isn’t involved in actually protecting the US should be considered here too, especially since we’ve probably endured more actual American deaths because of such activity. Spending money not protecting the people who are funding it is bad enough but putting the people funding it in more danger than they were before is really bad, that’s the opposite of…

And so you sell out and instantly betray your allies against ISIS the second they're not immediately useful anymore?

Aside from the deeply troubling morality expressed there, you're setting yourself up to never have local allies in any future conflicts as we can all see just how well that's worked out in the past.

The answer to "how do we not fund and die in foreign wars?" isn't "go to war in foreign countries over and over again and then abandon our allies as soon as our immediate objectives are apparently met", it's gotta be more like "stop picking fights in foreign countries".

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by buboard »

_xnmw wrote: post #70
ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

> There's an official denial of a "green light" Have you considered the possibility that a green light was, in fact, not given, and that Putin has simply outmanoeuvred America in this case? I think the evidence points towards Russian intel backing Turkey's latest operation. America completely failed to implement her interests in the region partly due the absolute mess of her internal politics, e.g. a still completely…

What are America s interests in the region? From the region it looks like America is doing random crap that sparks wars and refugees

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by buboard »

mtw wrote: post #58

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

That presumes syria is a sovereign. Its not, its a mess that will be redefined.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by htfu »

grenoire wrote: post #45
Diederich wrote: post #43

Echoing another comment: does anyone here know how this block is implemented? Is it a DNS block?

Turkey used to implement DNS blocks but these days (because people learned to quickly circumvent DNS blocks by Google or OpenDNS) they straight up don't route the IPs.

Yeah, I remember the "8.8.8.8" graffiti. At least workarounds are still simple enough, if not quite as easy as before.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by buboard »

primroot wrote: post #38

Also related. "Turkey’s Erdogan threatens to release millions of refugees into Europe over criticism of Syria offensive" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-re... Emphasis mine.

Its doubtful all the refugees will want to leave ( they want to go to syria). Europe made its bed , and he s taking advantage of it. The only hope is that the offensive will end soon
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