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EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

#101

EASA budget for 2018 was only 161 million Euros: https://www.easa.europa.eu/the-agency/the-agency OP offers no hint just how such great additional effort is to be paid for.

They will let Boing pay for it in form of regular fees. Boing is essentially asking for approval.

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#102

EASA budget for 2018 was only 161 million Euros: https://www.easa.europa.eu/the-agency/the-agency OP offers no hint just how such great additional effort is to be paid for.

The FAA and EASA have very different operating models, so budgets are not comparable. FAA certification efforts are tax-payer funded, whereas EASA’s efforts are funded by industry in a pay-for-service model.

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#103
post #7

Frankly, this is good IMO. It should also go in reverse. The FAA should have to independently certify Airbus/Embraer too.

You got downvoted heavily, I suspect, because you left out the reasoning behind your statement. Do you think it should be the other way around in tit-for-tat political reasons? Or because "Many eyes makes all bugs shallow" or some other reason?

Good point. Completely for many eyes reasons. Nearly everything in a plane has a backup. Why not do 2 independent analyses of the systems?

The timeline for a new plane is already measured in years. Another 6 months can't be that bad, right?

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#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It astonishes me that so few HNers have (evidently) tried to start businesses. The staggering regulatory, tax and accounting burden that small business are groaning under is incomprehensible , unless you've experienced it. I'm a Canadian, in a super-simple business (no payroll, no significant hardward stock) and we are forced to spend double-digit percentages of our gross income just to stay "compliant" with regulati…

I'm an HNer who has started and sold my own businesses, I have family who have founded & operated businesses in highly regulated areas, and I'm an investor in startups. I have also been audited by the IRS (the US tax service). One wrong step does not mean you're toast. It means you need to admit and fix your mistake and make sure it doesn't happen again. I'm sure agencies such as the FAA or DOE might be more of a PIT…

You sound very successful; unfortunately, most small businesses remain small. Year by year, the ever-increasing drain of time, energy and money expended to accomplish nothing of value (to the owner, their families who often work in the business, or to their clients) increases.

Unless they quickly cross this "chasm of despair", it is inevitable that the small business owner will simply give up and close the business.

Soon, all you have left is dead-eyed, heartless corporate strip-miners, laying waste the landscape (see: modern industrial livestock production and processing, vs. local farmers and butchers). And they have a very limited risk of any viable competitors crossing the chasm.

There is one thing that could change this -- remove the "economies of scale" for compliance to all regulatory and tax requirements. This means: the amount it costs the company to comply is calculated to be in direct proportion to their gross revenue.

If it costs a small business 10% of their gross revenue to comply, but it costs Apple, Eli Lilly, Exxon, Walmart etc. only .1% of their gross revenue, then taxes would be levied/refunded to ensure that the regulatory burden is equitable.

You would be able see the big corporation's lobbyists lining up in Washington, DC from orbit, to get the regulatory burdens on small businesses reduced!

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

#105
post #8

Why wouldn't they? The FAA has lost its credibility and can now be considered a subsidiary of Boeing.

This is unfortunately accurate. And has been for more or less 20 years.

Yes, the upside of the terrible MAX crashes is that it was a good alert that the FAA is not trustworthy. Without them, we might have been relying on a smoke detector with a dead battery.

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#106
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the EASA finds real major issue that the FAA didn’t find then the FAA being the world validation office for Boeing planes is over. But I don’t think this will happen, the FAA seem to have realized how angry the rest of the world agencies are. 350 dead because they screwed up, and their first reaction was to say it was the dead pilots fault...

The era of American exceptionalism is coming to an end and Americans are screeching from the pain. As technology leader and economic powerhouse, the US has left its cultural, political and financial footprint in Europe in the past decades but the extent of that influence is now downgraded. And the reason is inner decay. When the wall came down in Eastern Germany, we tuned into Knight Rider and MacGyver. The A-Team an…

> one mass shooting (~13 dead) ... in Binghamton, NY

In case anyone is curious, this appears to refer to the following event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

#107

As a matter of interest, does the FAA accept EASA's certification of Airbus planes? I foresee a possible tit for tat.

I think this should not matter. The primary objective is safety.

If safety matters, perhaps we should not trust the regulatory body of a country on approving the aircraft built by that country. The conflict of interest is highly possible.

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#108
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In places like Romania, you can get internet service for a fraction of that price.

I was curious how that compared with prices of other goods/services so I found this: https://checkinprice.com/cost-of-living-in-bucharest-romania... Monthly public transport ticket 14.55 USD 1 ticket to the movies (adult price) 5.70 USD High speed internet per month 9.50 USD 1 month gym subscription 41.30 USD Assuming that's accurate, other stuff is cheaper than US cities but not by nearly as much as internet service…

It's accurate. Just got back from spending a few weeks at my dad's country house that's wired with 940/450mbps fiber. No problems remote working from there, except, of course, time zone differences. Here's the ISP link, in Romanian unfortunately: https://www.digiromania.ro/servicii/internet/internet-fix/fi.... The price is 40 Lei / month, which is approximately $9.5 at current exchange rates.

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#109

Americans have been dismantling and weakening their regulatory bodies for quite a while now. The idea is that this will unshackle big corporations and allow them to innovate faster. This sounds like a great idea, until you realize that this “innovation” is most often about increasing profits. And the quality of the product is often sacrificed to increase profits. Just look at what is happening to telecommunication se…

We could also say that about American healthcare system or how the life expectency is greater in cuba than it is in the US.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

#110
post #76

Americans have been dismantling and weakening their regulatory bodies for quite a while now. The idea is that this will unshackle big corporations and allow them to innovate faster. This sounds like a great idea, until you realize that this “innovation” is most often about increasing profits. And the quality of the product is often sacrificed to increase profits. Just look at what is happening to telecommunication se…

> Just look at what is happening to telecommunication services, with big corporations growing their profits while Americans get stuck with slow and expensive service that becomes relatively worse comparing to other western countries. I get 1 gig internet service for $80 a month in a mid-sized American city in the midwest. No complaints here. The offerings just keep getting better and cheaper.

Even in Belgium, we have better price, and we have the most extensive prices in EU.
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