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Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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> f you want to stop climate change then, e.g., (and many of these will be uncomfortable to most here) give up your car, find jobs that are remote work or even better yet where you can walk to work, move to a temperate climate where little heat and cooling are needed, stop immigration of people from low impact regions to high impact regions We can't all do this, unfortunately. And I don't mean "us on HackerNews", I m…

> And yet, rapid population growth in the 2nd/3rd world is a taboo subject.

Population control is a taboo subject anywhere, unfortunately.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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Why? The Allies fought and won WW2 without fascism. The UK had a coalition government of the two major parties for most of the war. We need a WW2 scale response, perhaps with similar restrictions like rationing - only this time of carbon or flights etc. Once some nations are active, others will join. Perhaps we need to see carbon and environmental impacts baked into import tariffs to "encourage" reluctant others to j…

”The UK had a coalition government of the two major parties for most of the war.” This was itself a suspension of normal democratic procedures and conventions. No elections were held in the UK between 1935 and the conclusion of the war in 1945.

Rather unavoidable don't you think? Mass mobilisation then cities being bombed and millions overseas makes a normal democratic election a tad difficult. Hence the continuation of National Government.

The thirties had a succession of mostly weak coalitions in response to the Great Depression.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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> hold China and India responsible for their wildly outsized levels of pollution once you control for their per capita contribution to humanity China and India contribute 4-10 times less CO2 per capita than the US.

The world doesn't care about per capita.

That’s an absurd statement and reeks of the most vile arrogance.

I’m so confused, do you honestly and in good faith make a statement like that? Do you not understand the disastrous social and political implications of approaching the problem like that? Do you not understand that fairness is central to this problem because a coordinated global effort is necessary and there is no fascist world police and hopefully never will be so we are dependent on convincing everyone and fairness is obviously central to this?

Humans care about per capita emissions because that’s one of the only ways to make this fair and we need to make this fair or else we will convince no one.

You are solving a social/political problem. Arrogant statements like yours won’t.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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I am in the same boat.

I don't even know why I have to be called a climate change denier or skeptic. The onus is on people who believe the climate is changing to prove it. As to say, it is not my job to disprove something that hasn't been proved.

Now obviously there is "proof" in circulation. But what is it proving? Have any prediction targets been met at all? How much will the sea tides rise and when? How much would have they risen given natural cycles? Even if man mad emissions weren't affecting the temperature would a climate scientist be able to predict the temperature 5 years from now?

Nasa has a few articles about how Earth is much greener than 40 years ago due to global warming -> https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/3/graphic-warmer-...

Are we simply waiting for this new vegetation to mature and reduce carbon emissions? Is anyone factoring in potential plant growth? Could they even measure that? Maybe the earth knows how to naturally cycle?

As I've aged, all I have seen is men make futile predictions about everything under the sun. The more and more variables and extrapolations added to a problem generally leads to an exponentially bad answer. I'm sure anyone who works in a job that does heavy spread sheet work can twist any bunch of numbers to fit a departments desired figure.

Furthermore, the mass fervour of the world for climate change should induce skepticism. Where is everyone getting their sources from?

Arguments such as:

"Think about the children" "Save the planet"

Are typically go to answers of people who can't make a real point.

Now it is not anyone's fault that they should act hysterical, the authority that is trickling down all this information should be a bit more out spoken. The media also needs to drop the term "experts" and "scientists".

I'd just like to know, in 10 years from now, if carbon emissions were at 19th century level, what would be the temperature be? and at our current rate of carbon emission what will the temperature be? With what degree of accuracy will the figure hold up to? Other then reducing man made emissions, what other planetary behaviour will also reduce carbon emissions? Can they be predicted and have you included them in the report?

Not even going to bother with the political aspect of this all, which actually may well be the majority of this movement. If I truely believed climate change were a real problem for the world, as the above posted said, I would be going after all the billion person populations first and foremost.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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post #103

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The world doesn't care about per capita.

That’s an absurd statement and reeks of the most vile arrogance. I’m so confused, do you honestly and in good faith make a statement like that? Do you not understand the disastrous social and political implications of approaching the problem like that? Do you not understand that fairness is central to this problem because a coordinated global effort is necessary and there is no fascist world police and hopefully neve…

You won't make a difference until you stop the over population. The biggest contributor is simply being born.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

#106

Nobody mention population.

For what it's worth Project Drawdown [0] has in the top ten solutions :

6 Educating Girls

7 Family Planning

This is only a polite way to say we are overpopulated and should have fewer children.

[0] https://www.drawdown.org/solutions-summary-by-rank

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

#107
The problem with climate change isn't climate change. It's because it has become co-opted by politics. It's now impossible to discuss climate change without becoming political.

The politics don't even agree relative to the side. Climate change has left the spectrum of left-right wing.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

#108

I wish I could adequately apologize to my Stepdaughter about the climate disaster. She's almost 20 and will have to live the majority of her life dealing with the effects of the collective acts of human stupidity over the past 200+ years. I want to sponsor planting trees, but I worry that we're doing far too little, far too late.

Were I to have a step-daughter, I would apologize for nothing. I've gone without a car in cities that were designed for nothing but. I recycled when the waste company charged for the privilege. Etc., etc., you get the point. I continue to reduce my carbon footprint as best I know how to this day, and will continue to do so in the future. Have I chosen the most effective means? Nope, not always; probably not even most of the time. Sometimes I miss the forest for the trees, and sometimes I just make bad choices based on bad information. But I keep at it.

Live a life that requires no apology, starting today. Too little, too late? I don't know, not much I can do about that. But what I can do is live a life less impactful on the environment, which is what I ought to be doing climate change or not. Perhaps climate change is your personal wake up call to dial back on the life of consumerism. Maybe it's a call to examine some other aspect of your life, I dunno. Regardless, it is an opportunity for examination, and answering the question of your place in the your environment and your impact on it. The rest of it will take care of itself, one way or another.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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No. We will only change faster once the situation becomes dire (crop failures, heat waves you can’t fight with AC, roads and bridges failing from the heat), and there will be much suffering due to the delay. Prepare yourself if you can.

I don't blame you for this because you're probably in the US, and probably not in agriculture, but we are having crop failures. In the US. Massive ones. It's not just heatwaves, but increased thunderstorm sizes (hail) and increase rainfall during vulnerable planting and harvesting periods. A lot of this spring was washed out in parts of the US Midwest. Globally, it's much worse. People are showing up from Central Ame…

Can you provide a source for some of these claims? I'm not doubting you, I just want to see for myself.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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The problem with climate change isn't climate change. It's because it has become co-opted by politics. It's now impossible to discuss climate change without becoming political. The politics don't even agree relative to the side. Climate change has left the spectrum of left-right wing.

Every climate change mitigation has different trade off, different winners and losers, different sacrifice to be made. So generally deciding what to do as at the scale of the society, or maybe in this case the global civilization, is political.
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