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Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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> hold China and India responsible for their wildly outsized levels of pollution once you control for their per capita contribution to humanity China and India contribute 4-10 times less CO2 per capita than the US.

>China and India contribute 4-10 times less CO2 per capita than the US.

And rising, fast.

Besides that, the planet doesn't care about per capita numbers.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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I've gotten a vasectomy exactly because it's clear that some of the worst outcomes of human-created climate change are inevitable, and I recommend anyone who cares about the environment and the well-being of their potential children to do the same. My only question is what to do when the world actually ends in 10 or so years. I'm thinking of quitting my job in SF and moving to a rural area in northern midwest far fro…

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Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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Why is that? Also, I detest fascism - but devil's advocate - is fascism worse than literal extinction?

“Live free or die”

This is why we will never have consensus on remediation climate change. It’s not just individual anarchists but whole governments who will adopt this “me or not you” attitude.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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It seems rational discussion is not what people actually want.

Hypocrisy is rampant in the discussion about climate change.

Irrationality and emotions are manipulation tactics, not solutions, therefore nothing will actually change with the climate.

The worst is when _real_ demonstrable solutions are presented and rejected because they don't "feel good" or make some kind of marketing splash.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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post #9

I'm of the belief that the only thing that will accomplish the goals set out by those who care at the level of the author is actual, literal, worldwide fascism. And I also believe that climate-agnostic entities (who don't care one way or another) will be waiting in the wings opportunistically as people start to call for that fascism.

Why is that? Also, I detest fascism - but devil's advocate - is fascism worse than literal extinction?

Presenting the choice as between fascism and "literal extinction" is exactly why public support isn't there.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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I've gotten a vasectomy exactly because it's clear that some of the worst outcomes of human-created climate change are inevitable, and I recommend anyone who cares about the environment and the well-being of their potential children to do the same. My only question is what to do when the world actually ends in 10 or so years. I'm thinking of quitting my job in SF and moving to a rural area in northern midwest far fro…

I don't think that will happen in 10 years, probably more like 20-30 years unless a miracle happens and all humanity starts working together.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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post #9

I'm of the belief that the only thing that will accomplish the goals set out by those who care at the level of the author is actual, literal, worldwide fascism. And I also believe that climate-agnostic entities (who don't care one way or another) will be waiting in the wings opportunistically as people start to call for that fascism.

Fascism does not have a good track record of accomplishing big goals.

Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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post #9

I'm of the belief that the only thing that will accomplish the goals set out by those who care at the level of the author is actual, literal, worldwide fascism. And I also believe that climate-agnostic entities (who don't care one way or another) will be waiting in the wings opportunistically as people start to call for that fascism.

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Re: Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss

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post #9

I'm of the belief that the only thing that will accomplish the goals set out by those who care at the level of the author is actual, literal, worldwide fascism. And I also believe that climate-agnostic entities (who don't care one way or another) will be waiting in the wings opportunistically as people start to call for that fascism.

Why? The Allies fought and won WW2 without fascism. The UK had a coalition government of the two major parties for most of the war.

We need a WW2 scale response, perhaps with similar restrictions like rationing - only this time of carbon or flights etc. Once some nations are active, others will join. Perhaps we need to see carbon and environmental impacts baked into import tariffs to "encourage" reluctant others to join.

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