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Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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Re: Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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That's not what a vexatious litigant is. Hundreds of thousands of dollars is a real loss.

Is it? Wal-Mart's revenue is 500billion. 500 thosand is .0001%. If you make 200k, thats like suing someone over 20 bucks

$20 bucks, and the fact that he sold you something as safe, that can burn down your business and kill people...

Re: Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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>totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket losses, Walmart said in the lawsuit. This amount is immaterial for each party involved.

Why would Tesla allow this to go to suit, given it’s likely press coverage? Surely there was opportunity to settle.

When did Musk ever settle, if there is an opportunity to open his mouth and make things worse?

I just can see explanations coming from fanboys that Walmart sells engine oil and is therefore part of the ICE mafia out to get Tesla. And they short the stock, too! /s

Re: Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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lack of clearance between panels. if a roof settles a bit after construction it might flex down reducing the space between panels. (i think)

How would that cause a fire?

Theorizing...

Reduced gaps can limit/change air circulation. No matter the efficiency, solar panels absorb/create a nontrivial amount of heat that could be trapped underneath. That heat alone could be a problem or it could accelerate wear of other systems/parts.

You could also have breakage, rubbing, pulling, or other mechanical issues that can result in shorts and by extension fires.

What is in the article suggests poor quality control or poor quality installation to my eye.

The solar city acquisition still stinks to me of one Musk company buying another Musk company using investor money and shouting 'synergy' until people refocused on the poor quality of Tesla's car production instead.

Re: Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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How would that cause a fire?

Once all the clearance is gone, panels can push each other and all sorts of breakage can happen.

At least in my installation they’re all strongly fastened to a cross bar. I’m not quite sure how they would shift in that scenario?

Re: Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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Blatant nepotism and self dealing might be normal at WeWork and Tesla but some companies do have better corporate governance.

Yeah Walmart is really a bastion of moral integrity in corporate America

Compared to your average SV outfit like Tesla? It most likely is.

Re: Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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Examples of where it’s not, in comparison to other similar companies?

Walmart’s “controversy and criticism” section on Wikipedia links to its own page (which I’ve never seen before): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Walmart > Criticisms include charges of racial and gender discrimination,[1][2][3] foreign product sourcing, treatment of product suppliers, environmental practices,[4] the use of public subsidies, and the company's spying on its employees.[5]

Despite having a high average quality, wikipedia is a very dangerous source for anything controversial. And in particular, using the existence of a criticism page to infer anything at all is ill-advised.

Re: Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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Is it? Wal-Mart's revenue is 500billion. 500 thosand is .0001%. If you make 200k, thats like suing someone over 20 bucks

Totally, like why does Wal-Mart even bother selling items that cost less than a million dollars?

This lawsuit could drag on for years and cost a significant portion of the amount being sued over because the value is so small. Hardly an equivalence.

Re: Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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In terms of corporate Walmart, absolutely. But it's annoying as can be -- and even scary -- to employees at those stores. Customers too. Walmart's real objective with a very public suit like this is to make sure that customers and employees see Tesla/Solar City as the villain. Not America's biggest retailer. Even tight-fisted businesses get righteous about this kind of stuff. It's a great way to win the "we care" pos…

Right because destroying small town businesses, unethical employee treatment, etc. didn't push folks away, but a fire at a walmart somewhere in the country will.

Walmart may have been first with low prices rurally but with Amazon and other online realitors it was only a matter of time.

Re: Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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>totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket losses, Walmart said in the lawsuit. This amount is immaterial for each party involved.

This really doesn't matter. The fires endanger lives. Some things are more important than money. I should hope you'd realize that.

Re: Walmart sues Tesla over fires at stores fitted with its solar panels

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Probably because they dont make Solar panels anymore and the panels in question are well out of warranty.

Ok, let's exclude solar panels. WMT's business model doesn't include extreme capacity Li-ion chemical bombs traveling at highway speeds. To be fair, I admire and hope one day to afford a Tesla. But the risks are clear. High capacity Li-ion batteries have high risks and incident rates of explosion.

You do realize that all vehicles have risks of fire or explosion. In order to make a vehicle with sufficient energy density to be usable for transportation you have to take those risks.

While it's true that Tesla has had a relatively small number of vehicle fires with the Model S and X. To date there has not been a single fire with a Model 3. Even with the Model S and X fires they were far rarer than ICE vehicle fires. It's just that nobody bothers reporting on ICE vehicle fires because they happen all the time. The relative rarity of the Tesla fires is what made them news not a high incident rate.

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