Glue traps are cruel, and retailers should be banned from selling them

> i'd happily play realistic games where i had to go through torture by medieval inquisition, or other interesting ways of dying

I'd bet good money that such an experience would very quickly show you why having "computational resources" taken by someone else is so vigorously avoided by most creatures.

The parent comment's thought experiment of "if all pain is just computation, let me 'compute' your hand" neatly refutes the practicality of your stance. Sure, pain is mediated by the same physicochemical processes that govern every other aspect of our bodies. Tell that to someone suffering oncogenic bone pain, or a second-degree burn, or the pain of losing a life partner of 70 years.

You claim that you value the time you still have to live, and not the absence of all pain. What about your quality of life, whatever that means to you? Have you ever had, e.g., an infected tooth, been hit hard in the groin, or even badly sunburnt? What value, if any, do you place on the privilege of not having to "compute" those sensations?

Moving beyond physical pain, what's the longest you've ever stayed awake? Acute sleep deprivation causes no permanent damage and no physical pain, but real-world evidence confirms that at some point, subject to nonstop sleep deprivation, you would do anything that you thought could end the experience. I would. Anyone would. Some people would of course last longer than others, but everybody cracks, computer-simulated or not.

> i'll be happy to go through any amount of suffering if i knew that i have a week to live anyway, and my suffering can help science or someone i care about

I don't mean to dismiss your generosity or confidence in your ability to accept pain, but it's very easy to express this sentiment from the comfort of a relatively healthy body. It's true that looming certain death changes a person's attitude toward pain, but I would suggest for your own subjective (not logical, but subjective) wellbeing that you tighten up your "any amount of suffering" threshold.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I unfortunately didn't manage to formulate my point of view clearly. I am not talking about the pain of losing someone you love, or chronic pain not allowing you to live. (In both of cases here someone loses their life).

I am also not talking about the ability to consciously keep choosing to go through pain for a bigger idea.

I am talking about the comparison between physical pain and death. Almost all cases when people experience pain in the real world are linked to death or permanent injury. This in conjugation with the knowledge of inevitability of death makes most people think that pain is worse or as bad as death.

But think of it this way: you have a choice to either be subjected to a month of most horrible suffering and then live completely healthy for a year or live your remaining month and then die without any pain. Would you choose the second? Why would anyone choose the second?

> Have you ever had, e.g., an infected tooth

yes, and i have tooth canals cleared without anesthetic several times, knowledge that after the half hour you'll be back to normal helps a lot.

> Acute sleep deprivation causes no permanent damage

Are you sure? I think people can die from it. The longest i've stayed awake was ~30 hours, i do not want to repeat it but even a longer version of it, or any from of torture are simply not comparable with dying. And saying "i killed it painlessly" is simply a way to comfort oneself, and doesn't help the one who is killed at all.

Someone linked to https://AutomaticTrap.com.

I stuck fly glue traps in my old workplace one time to catch some mosquitoes, I ended up catching a lizard instead. It was horrifying seeing what happened to it, his whole body had glued onto the trap with stretch marks, tail and arms were amputated trying to get off of it. He looked me dead in the eyes with sorrow as I had to roll up the trap and toss him in the trash, because I didn't have much other choice at the time. Didn't have the heart to put him out of his misery.

Glue traps are horrible.

The problem is that in some industries (food processing for example), alternatives are in many cases forbidden. Crush traps can leave a mess and contaminate things if animals are just wounded, poison - well that's clear I guess, and live traps is the same as keeping live animals on premise, which is not allowed.