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Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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Post by claudiawerner »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #91
genericone wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hundreds if not thousands of ad supported calculator and flashlight apps on play store beg to differ.

Reasonable amount of competition is good.

Competition that spurs innovation is good, more like, but I am skeptical of the claim that competition is necessary to prompt innovation, and whether the costs of such a model (leading to massive waste of society's productive capacity) are worth the purported benefits. For instance, a good deal of mathematics and science was not done on the principle of competition, but search for improvement. The real question is whether the development in goods and services can be or could have used similar principles, which is not only more efficient but seems condusive to better mental well-being; I'd rather desire to improve than to slight (and possibly sabotage) someone who must be my opponent.

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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Post by Yizahi »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #49

Because that is exactly what we have all been clamoring for. Gee thanks Google. Ok, that is more than a bit dismissive and I shouldn't be as cynical as I am about it but I switched to Firefox for a reason, this crap just keeps interfering. But oh wait, want to watch Youtube.tv in Firefox, oh so sorry you can't because it won't do video acceleration. I remember when you had to run Silverlight to watch Netflix too, tha…

I recently started to run into new IE6 stuff - bank plugin for certificates that was made only for Chrome, then on mobile some ecommerce site which simply didn't work in mobile FF (real one, on android), stuff like that. I suspect there will be way more of this monopolistic crap now that FF has fallen below 10% and Edge died.

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Post by pyrale »

SquareWheel wrote: post #74
gcb0 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

amp is a self serving standard. Nowhere in the standard "higher search ranking on google inc" is mentioned as a must have feature. Yet it is the only feature anyone care about when discussing adoption.

If that were true (and I'm not so sure it is), then you'd blame the search team for letting it be a ranking factor. It has nothing to do with web standards.

Are we blaming the wrong hand ?

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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Post by Yizahi »

eecc wrote: post #44

Let me guess, it has nothing to do with https://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/

"Look at you, standards committee - a pathetic creature of humans and ideals, panting and sweating as you chase after my unrestrained "innovations". How can you challenge a perfect, immortal GOOGLE!" (c) Shodan, probably

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

kordlessagain wrote: post #94
adrianN wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's my point. The web is so complex that browser engines are becoming a monoculture. Even if you forked Chromium now, you'd need hundreds of engineers just to keep up with all the new things that are constantly added.

> new things that are constantly added By golly, that's the problem right there.

One thing I’ve discovered from learning and using Common Lisp seriously is that it’s really important for a system to be specified in a way that allows for extensions to the system to be implemented in terms of primitives the language provides (e.g. you want a new language construct, write a macro to transform your desired syntax into Common Lisp). In languages and systems that don’t have this feature, an implementation that introduces useful extension begins to develop lock-in and makes it harder to compete. (E.g. no one writes the Haskell specified in the Haskell report anymore, because all the libraries you might want to use use one or more ghc-specific extensions.( )

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

gcb0 wrote: post #80

Real use case for this is so Google can poke into context for links shared via services they have no ownership. They got used to know exactly what people share and, much more importantly, what people click on email, thanks to gmail rewriting all links to a google track url (while misleading the user by a fake status text on mouse over). When they sum the info of 1. who send it, 2. who clicked on it, 3. what was the e…

> what people click on email, thanks to gmail rewriting all links to a google track url (while misleading the user by a fake status text on mouse over)

They use the same trick for Google Search in a way that is transparent to the user - as long as you have JS turned on. When you switch it off, you realize instead of clicking on HNs URL, you actually click https://www.google.com/url?q=https://news.ycombinator.com/&s...

Now, they want to move a step further. I wonder when they're going to stop.

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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Post by will_pseudonym »

afandian wrote: post #97

Something open, standardized, quite similar and already working is Web annotations. This includes 'robust anchoring' capability which could surely be used to solve this problem. https://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/ Hypothes.is is a well established open implementation.

https://web.hypothes.is/ is the URL parent was referring to, but there was a typo.

This looks similar to Genius.com's annotations. I wonder how this will evolve with multiple providers allowing similar functionality. Ideally you'd be able to combine annotation networks for a single URI to get all possible annotations you want on a given page.

Problems with these types of systems are the same as product reviews like on Amazon. Astroturfing & false information. It'll be interesting to see how that evolves.

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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Post by xg15 »

Technical question, apart from the (valid IMO) political arguments: Google's idea to implement this is to append the text fragment to the URL in a "#targetText" pseudo-query-argument in the URL fragment part. This sounds like it would extremely easily break existing web pages who use the fragment part for their own state.

In the blog post, there doesn't seem to be anything addressing this (or even just specifying how Chrome would combine the "targetText" fragment with an already existing fragment part)

Did they spend any thought on this?

Edit: Oh, right, the readme answers this:

> Web pages could potentially be using the fragment to store parameters, e.g. http://example.com/#name=test. If sites are already using targetText in the URL fragment for their own purposes, this feature could break those sites.

> We expect this usage to be exceedingly rare. It's an abuse of the purpose of URL fragments and page arguments are typically encoded using the '?' character (e.g. http://example.com?name=test). Still, we may run an experiment to see if targetText is available enough to use as a reserved token.

We'll just completely change the commonly understand processing model of fragment identifiers, but it'll be fine since we don't think anyone is using them anyway...

No further questions...

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