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Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With AMP they are trying to become the web.

What does that even mean? AMP is built on WebComponents, which are an existing web standard. That's no less standard than anything else using custom elements.

amp is a self serving standard.

Nowhere in the standard "higher search ranking on google inc" is mentioned as a must have feature. Yet it is the only feature anyone care about when discussing adoption.

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've had a time when standards were at the forefront, between the death of the last browser monoculture, and the establishment of the current one. It was good while it lasted.

if you don't specify a timeframe you can't be contested and therefore your nostalgia reads like it is for a time that never existed except in your mind

Judging from this chart[1], definitely somewhere between 2008 (the x-axis starts at 2009, but if I recall correctly Chrome was released in 2008) and second half of 2012. Possibly the original comment was referring to a larger time span than this, but judging from the linked chart that's when Chrome was still on the up-and-up compared to IE. In my opinion though, this timeframe was 2008 to about 2014, when Google (and Microsoft) essentially strong armed Mozilla into accepting EME[2]. I'm not sure that's when the slippery slope really started, but it's definitely when I started believing there's a new boss in town – same as the old boss.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#/media/File:Web_...

[2]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-missi...

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the possibility of a wheel being reinvented a desirable thing?

Because competition is good?

The hundreds if not thousands of ad supported calculator and flashlight apps on play store beg to differ.

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that even mean? AMP is built on WebComponents, which are an existing web standard. That's no less standard than anything else using custom elements.

amp is a self serving standard. Nowhere in the standard "higher search ranking on google inc" is mentioned as a must have feature. Yet it is the only feature anyone care about when discussing adoption.

If that were true (and I'm not so sure it is), then you'd blame the search team for letting it be a ranking factor. It has nothing to do with web standards.

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With AMP they are trying to become the web.

What does that even mean? AMP is built on WebComponents, which are an existing web standard. That's no less standard than anything else using custom elements.

They are caching a chunk of the web and routing traffic from google.com to their cache. Since traffic never leaves google.com, it is now in a way the web itself. This is achieved thanks to AMP.

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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At first glance, this seems like a really half baked idea to me. Some immediate thoughts: - Wasn't there a draft spec floating around in the early 00s that tried to accomplish this, but didn't catch on? - Fragments are already used to link to fragments, albeit more author friendly than user friendly I suppose - This won't fly very well with sites that still make use of fragment based navigation, will it? (Believe it…

Honest question: is there a specific person who is smugly grinning about this at google.

Like the people at FB who run around thinking how awesome they are for coming up with a new spying technique and what idiots the world is for not recognizing their innovation?

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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post #61

At first glance, this seems like a really half baked idea to me. Some immediate thoughts: - Wasn't there a draft spec floating around in the early 00s that tried to accomplish this, but didn't catch on? - Fragments are already used to link to fragments, albeit more author friendly than user friendly I suppose - This won't fly very well with sites that still make use of fragment based navigation, will it? (Believe it…

> (Believe it or not, I still see new projects use this over the history API!) want to guess which one doesnt need JS, or server-side handling to work?

I think maybe you're misunderstanding what I meant by fragment based navigation – that's probably my fault. I refer to the shebang style fragments, that was used to implement deep linking in primarily JS driven sites. This of course watered down the use of fragments in pages, and nearly made them useless frankly. Ironically, the history API – which of course as you say requires JS to work – is what probably saved fragments from being completely useless, since it meant everyone could return to using paths for deep linking and still implement their sites as JS blobs if they so chose. Moreover it opened up for hybrid approaches, where the server can actually serve a pre-rendered site that's then amended by JS (or not!) since the server would now see the full path that users were navigating to, as opposed to /my-catch-all-entry-point. Servers never get to see the fragment, after all.

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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Almost caught up to the capabilities of Ted Nelsons Xanadu Hypertext System from the mid 20th century.

I was just seeing a documentary about him (the Internet actually) by Werner Herzog. It was the first time I had heard about Xanadu or Ted Nelson. His ideas were quite radical from what I know as the Web. And I got to thinking how the web might have been had Xanadu become mainstream. But then I opened the Wikipedia page on Project Xanadu, it's second paragraph is: > Wired magazine published an article called "The Curs…

It's basically as if he proposed a teleportation device, but couldn't deliver any of it. And when Tim berners Lee build an airplane which everybody started using he starts complaining on how much better his idea was. In recent years he's only been doing that last thing.

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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post #61

At first glance, this seems like a really half baked idea to me. Some immediate thoughts: - Wasn't there a draft spec floating around in the early 00s that tried to accomplish this, but didn't catch on? - Fragments are already used to link to fragments, albeit more author friendly than user friendly I suppose - This won't fly very well with sites that still make use of fragment based navigation, will it? (Believe it…

Honest question: is there a specific person who is smugly grinning about this at google. Like the people at FB who run around thinking how awesome they are for coming up with a new spying technique and what idiots the world is for not recognizing their innovation?

I would hope not, but who knows? I guess it's more like the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Re: Chrome will Soon Let You Share Links to a Specific Word or Sentence on a Page

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Real use case for this is so Google can poke into context for links shared via services they have no ownership.

They got used to know exactly what people share and, much more importantly, what people click on email, thanks to gmail rewriting all links to a google track url (while misleading the user by a fake status text on mouse over). When they sum the info of 1. who send it, 2. who clicked on it, 3. what was the email context, they can further classify the page content. (for ads, search ranking, whatever they do today)

But they can't do that on whatsapp, facebook, etc. With this "feature", now they have at least a modicum of context when the page impression show up on their Google Analytics trackers. Did you visit that wikipedia page because of recent news events, or doing homework?

Or, we could just go with occam's razor and believe that a bunch of bored engineers at google decided to simply add a feature completely disconnected from any of their business plans, and spent a few months tweaking a git repo with nothing but a README file... while the actual code review has follow up questions that were left open and merged anyway: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/14... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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