Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet many services rely on SSN for identity verification in the US (e.g. banks, telecoms, etc.)
You mean they rely solely on someone dictating a SSN number? That's insane. They should ask for a official ID with photo, as the very minimum. Is that something that goes against the American culture? The other day I had to give all 10 fingerprints to renew my driver's license (location: South America) and nobody seemed to care.
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#102People make money off advance information all the time. Often you can see that in the price action -- take this for example: https://imgur.com/mJq1OcY Three days before a positive press release, demand pressure beings to drive up the price. Coincidence? I'm too jaded to believe that.
It's worth noting that trading spikes in advance of public availability of news doesn't necessarily imply illegal activity. Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game.
Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's worth noting that trading spikes in advance of public availability of news doesn't necessarily imply illegal activity. Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game.
> Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game. Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information.
You are totally mistaken as far as the law in the United States. I can’t speak for other jurisdictions.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's worth noting that trading spikes in advance of public availability of news doesn't necessarily imply illegal activity. Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game.
> Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game. Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information.
https://www.kiplinger.com/article/investing/T052-C008-S001-w...
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game. Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information.
> Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information. You are totally mistaken as far as the law in the United States. I can’t speak for other jurisdictions.
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#106> The New York Stock Exchange has asked the SEC to consider limiting the amount of data collected by the CAT, which would include data on around 58 billion daily trades, as well as the personal details of individuals making the trades, including their Social Security numbers and dates of birth Dropping SSNs for natural persons would be a good idea.
What's WEIRD is that area of law around liability though.
IF you own a company and you're the only employee and someone dies you're in a world of hurt.
If you're Walmart and you kill 100 people by accident basically nothing will happen in most cases.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The whole point is that it's not supposed to change, unlike your name, address, gender, occupation, and everything else. Which makes it all the more ridiculous that as an immutable identifier, it's also supposed to be a secret.
It is supposed to change. The Social Security Administration explicitly allows people to obtain new SSNs in limited circumstances.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet many services rely on SSN for identity verification in the US (e.g. banks, telecoms, etc.)
that is what wtvanhest is talking about. If everyone has your social, its no longer considered a secret (like a password) its more like a unique identifier (an email address) just like it was intended to be.
AFAIK they are not ever unique
Re: DOJ: Hackers broke into an SEC database and made millions from inside info
#109People make money off advance information all the time. Often you can see that in the price action -- take this for example: https://imgur.com/mJq1OcY Three days before a positive press release, demand pressure beings to drive up the price. Coincidence? I'm too jaded to believe that.
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#110Related reading: today's Matt Levine piece on how hard it is to make money even with this info. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-16/even-c...