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DOJ: Hackers broke into an SEC database and made millions from inside info

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Re: DOJ: Hackers broke into an SEC database and made millions from inside info

#101

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And yet many services rely on SSN for identity verification in the US (e.g. banks, telecoms, etc.)

You mean they rely solely on someone dictating a SSN number? That's insane. They should ask for a official ID with photo, as the very minimum. Is that something that goes against the American culture? The other day I had to give all 10 fingerprints to renew my driver's license (location: South America) and nobody seemed to care.

there are places here that will let you vote for the president of the united states without requiring proof that you are a US citizen. what do you expect.

Re: DOJ: Hackers broke into an SEC database and made millions from inside info

#102

People make money off advance information all the time. Often you can see that in the price action -- take this for example: https://imgur.com/mJq1OcY Three days before a positive press release, demand pressure beings to drive up the price. Coincidence? I'm too jaded to believe that.

It's worth noting that trading spikes in advance of public availability of news doesn't necessarily imply illegal activity. Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game.

> Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game.

Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information.

Re: DOJ: Hackers broke into an SEC database and made millions from inside info

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that trading spikes in advance of public availability of news doesn't necessarily imply illegal activity. Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game.

> Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game. Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information.

>Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information.

You are totally mistaken as far as the law in the United States. I can’t speak for other jurisdictions.

Re: DOJ: Hackers broke into an SEC database and made millions from inside info

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that trading spikes in advance of public availability of news doesn't necessarily imply illegal activity. Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game.

> Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game. Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information.

No, it only matters if you had a duty to keep that information confidential:

https://www.kiplinger.com/article/investing/T052-C008-S001-w...

Re: DOJ: Hackers broke into an SEC database and made millions from inside info

#105

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> Overheard conversations between strangers, for example, are fair game. Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information.

> Wrong. It's insider trading if you have material, nonpublic information. It doesn't matter how you got that information. You are totally mistaken as far as the law in the United States. I can’t speak for other jurisdictions.

As I posted above, the poster is not mistaken.

Re: DOJ: Hackers broke into an SEC database and made millions from inside info

#106

> The New York Stock Exchange has asked the SEC to consider limiting the amount of data collected by the CAT, which would include data on around 58 billion daily trades, as well as the personal details of individuals making the trades, including their Social Security numbers and dates of birth Dropping SSNs for natural persons would be a good idea.

Now that corporations have more benefits that actual humans it makes the most sense for everyone to operate under their own corporation.

What's WEIRD is that area of law around liability though.

IF you own a company and you're the only employee and someone dies you're in a world of hurt.

If you're Walmart and you kill 100 people by accident basically nothing will happen in most cases.

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The whole point is that it's not supposed to change, unlike your name, address, gender, occupation, and everything else. Which makes it all the more ridiculous that as an immutable identifier, it's also supposed to be a secret.

It is supposed to change. The Social Security Administration explicitly allows people to obtain new SSNs in limited circumstances.

supposed !== possible

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#108
post #59

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And yet many services rely on SSN for identity verification in the US (e.g. banks, telecoms, etc.)

that is what wtvanhest is talking about. If everyone has your social, its no longer considered a secret (like a password) its more like a unique identifier (an email address) just like it was intended to be.

> its more like a unique identifier

AFAIK they are not ever unique

Re: DOJ: Hackers broke into an SEC database and made millions from inside info

#109

People make money off advance information all the time. Often you can see that in the price action -- take this for example: https://imgur.com/mJq1OcY Three days before a positive press release, demand pressure beings to drive up the price. Coincidence? I'm too jaded to believe that.

It's not a coincidence.. until it is. You can't make money consistently just looking at price actions (if you did, everyone would be doing it)
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