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Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Yup. Numerous private train companies in Japan.

Most of the Japan railway system was built by the state and privatized later.

So what? what is expensive on a daily basis is maintenance and operations. That's the killer.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Yup. Numerous private train companies in Japan.

In Japan the government kept essentially all the companies' debt, and incurred the cost of the 80k employees that were fired. And even now the profitable companies seem to get their profits from shops at the train stations. And from the 6 companies the public railroad was split into, not all are successful: "JR Hokkaido expects to incur a record pretax loss of ¥23.5 billion in the year that ended in March [2017], wit…

Of course, you can't have successful train operations in low density areas. Hokkaido, Shikoku, and the extreme west of japan is doomed in that regard. I don't even know how you could expect things to turn differently. But in Tokyo, and Kansai, the private train companies are doing very well.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Reformat the computer? I do this on 100% of my computers now. I thought there was a risk of losing some functionality like the touch screen, but everything works and far better than when I bought it.

But if you install Win10 don't you just get spyware/adware/crapware direct from MS then? (asking, I don't know, not a regular MS user)

I think Candy Crush or something was default, but thats just pre-installed games. I think there was links to some websites too.

The problem is pre-installed crapware. Windows seems fine.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Nationalized infrastructure is a good way to create poor service, and a long lasting debt. Look at pretty much every country in Europe with national railtracks and rail lines: massively bleeding money, with worse and worse service and low levels of investements because there is no incentive to do so.

Actually the opposite is true. For example the UK was at the forefront of modern railtrack privatization, and it went horribly wrong: https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2012/09/why-britains-... There are countless examples in Europe were privatized infrastructure actually has been bought back by the public because it has been neglected by the private holder.

It's not because there are failures of the private sector that it dooms the idea completely. But failures of operating train lines under national supervision is rather the rule than the exception. Look at the TGV in France, which is a complete commercial failure that needs constant government intervention to keep it afloat.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-reform-sncf-debt/f...

Same thing for Deutsche Bahn in Germany:

https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2018/09/11...

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Thinkpads were actually manufactured by Lenovo right from the start, they were only badged by IBM. But even then, why should anyone at IBM care what happened to the brand after they sold it? I know some creators love their product lines and such and care about posterity, but, IBM!

Did Lenovo really manufacture them back in 1992? From what I gather they only started in 2005? Even then it's like saying iPhones manufactured by Foxconn are only badged by Apple. The original IBM Thinkpads all the way up to the T43 were developed by IBM and built/designed significantly better than the ones today. Also a large selling point of the old models was the software (!), which made some things easier.

Good points, I think you're right.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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post #78

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Wasn't their shitty bios rewriting parts of windows? Vanilla OS images won't save you there.

Yes, Windows has a feature called Microsoft Windows Platform Binary Table that allows the OEM to embed any executable file they want into the UEFI image which is then automatically run on every boot. Extremely terrifying backdoor mechanism.

Not half as scary as Apple's DEP program. Pretty much everyone is moving this way because it's super convenient for admins -- devices arrive out of the box working and configured. Google has "Zero Touch", Samsung as their Knox program.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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I still cant bring myself to purchase a Lenovo product because of this, despite the generally favourable reviews I see on HN regarding the ThinkPads. Its just such a revolting decision to me to do that to a paying customer. I may just put my money where my mouth is and start the break up with Google too, as painful as that will be. I just dont feel like I align with these fucking companies at all anymore.

SuperFish and other adwares were installed on Lenovos lower-grade laptops and Thinkpads. The X series and T series, the choice of most consumers who care enough to own a Thinkpad, were not affected by this issue[1]. While it's unacceptable for Lenovo to be doing this on ANY machine, I still feel confident that the company understands how consumers view the Thinkpad brand and how reluctant they are to do anything that might tarnish the brand for business and prosumer users.

[1]https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/superfish

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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post #106
post #99

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Yes, Windows has a feature called Microsoft Windows Platform Binary Table that allows the OEM to embed any executable file they want into the UEFI image which is then automatically run on every boot. Extremely terrifying backdoor mechanism.

Not half as scary as Apple's DEP program. Pretty much everyone is moving this way because it's super convenient for admins -- devices arrive out of the box working and configured. Google has "Zero Touch", Samsung as their Knox program.

Apple seems interested in keeping things fairly secure, is this a theoretical fear or an exploit I've never heard of?

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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post #75

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Considering the quality and the fact that Win10 actually serves you adds and sells telemetry information, I think the price should be even lower. The consumer has the responsibility to check the validity of the product, sure, but this is ridiculously unfeasible for digital licenses. A lot of companies actually do buy these 10$ keys and I don't blame them.

Any source on them selling telemetry data?

They haven't provided one, but I'm guessing if someone provides a source, it'll be a link to Microsoft's ads products. They'll argue this information _could_ be used to target users for advertisements, even though it might not be.
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