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Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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There are no legitimate Windows licenses that only cost 10€. They may activate but successful activation does not imply that you are not breaching Microsofts license agreement and they may decide to deactivate those licenses at any time

Wasn't the ban on resale of licenses declared illegal at least in some countries? In that case, second hand licenses would very well be legal, even if Microsoft doesn't like them.

it is illegal in Poland

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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> Then I got a 10€ Windows 10 key from ebay A rather unfair comparison, don't you think? That's like saying "I got a really good deal on a Macbook, all I had to do was pick it up and sprint out of the Apple store!"

It also would have been a better deal if I bought it from the official MS-Store for 145€ because it wouldn't have had all the Lenovo bloatware on it. I personally don't want to support what Microsoft is doing with Windows so that's why I bought it from a shady ebay seller. Of course, the more ethical solution would have been to talk her into a GNU/Linux machine but I don't have the time and energy to play IT support…

Why not a chromebook?

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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I still cant bring myself to purchase a Lenovo product because of this, despite the generally favourable reviews I see on HN regarding the ThinkPads. Its just such a revolting decision to me to do that to a paying customer.

I may just put my money where my mouth is and start the break up with Google too, as painful as that will be. I just dont feel like I align with these fucking companies at all anymore.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Suppose I purchase a laptop from Lenovo. Do I have a surefire way to easily decrapify the laptop?

Reformat the computer?

I do this on 100% of my computers now. I thought there was a risk of losing some functionality like the touch screen, but everything works and far better than when I bought it.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Amazon gives you a $20 discount to take ads on Kindle purchases. The possibility of having to pay $10 only if caught and fined seems like not at all a deterrent.

Amazon ads are usually for things Amazon sells... Windows sorta advertises too... Products Microsoft sells too

I don't agree with it but cross promotion of products a company sells is at least a little more reasonable.

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This seems like ebay's problem. Why are they not shut down for this? If I came across some software on e-bay, I'd assume it was legit. I just checked ebay and it is full of windows keys. How am I, as a consumer, supposed to know that this is 'illegal'?

The same way you're supposed to know if a bike is stolen. If the given market is grey/shady and the price is excessively low, and you really want to know, you ask (for starters).

If everyone got a "free" bike when you bought a computer then the people who didn't want to use their's and so bothered to sell it would probably sell it for $10 or so?

You can get £20 books for 50p, because either the person has finished using the book, and there are lots of books; or because the person got the book free (as a gift generally) and didn't really want it; or because they bought a copy and got a second copy gifted, etc.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Suppose I purchase a laptop from Lenovo. Do I have a surefire way to easily decrapify the laptop?

Reformat the computer? I do this on 100% of my computers now. I thought there was a risk of losing some functionality like the touch screen, but everything works and far better than when I bought it.

But if you install Win10 don't you just get spyware/adware/crapware direct from MS then? (asking, I don't know, not a regular MS user)

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> I still don't get why it didn't hurt them more in the enterprise space (read: why large companies didn't institute a strict "no lenovo" policy for a couple years). That would have been way more effective than fines. Using vendor OS images is a rookie mistake in the first place.

Wasn't their shitty bios rewriting parts of windows? Vanilla OS images won't save you there.

Yes, Windows has a feature called Microsoft Windows Platform Binary Table that allows the OEM to embed any executable file they want into the UEFI image which is then automatically run on every boot. Extremely terrifying backdoor mechanism.

Re: Lenovo to pay $7.3M for installing adware in laptops

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Reformat the computer? I do this on 100% of my computers now. I thought there was a risk of losing some functionality like the touch screen, but everything works and far better than when I bought it.

But if you install Win10 don't you just get spyware/adware/crapware direct from MS then? (asking, I don't know, not a regular MS user)

Having done this in the past year... kind of. I view it as a lesser brand of evil though. Also it's possible to turn off telemetry.

Cortana still sucks though.

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