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Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

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Re: Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This breaks the site guidelines, both because it's ideological flamewar, and more subtly because it doesn't do this: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." Can you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here?

Please follow this rule when reading my posts: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." You've disappointed me with your disingenuous misinterpretation of my comment and I strongly suggest you no longer reply to my posts.

It seems clear from your account history that you don't want to use HN as intended, so I've banned the account.

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Re: Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

#102

In 1967, as a soon to be graduate from a university in what is today called computer science, I applied to the NSA and nothing about that interview was nice. I failed the polygraph on two consecutive days and that's all she wrote. What tripped me up was the question "have you had any homosexual activity." The pen almost went off the graph when I truthfully said, "no." Where and when I grew up that was about the worst…

P.S. I am awfully glad that in those 51 years I was never again put in a polygraph situation such as an investigation. I just know I'd fuck it up.

Re: Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

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I was a team leader at a USSOCOM unit and had to take a poly to be read into a couple of three-letter agency programs. In the middle of the test, the smug 23 year old fresh college grad administering the thing tells me I'm being deceptive and obviously support jihadi terrorism. This as I'm getting ready to leave on my 12th deployment. I've never wanted to so violently break someone's face as right then in that moment…

I hate it when people do this. What's the better comeback/reaction to this frame? (apparently, my verbalized fuck-off, tamed or not, is not the best approach)

Snort

Re: Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

#104
> A few years into my Agency career, I took a battery of vocational and aptitude tests including the MMPI, a personality inventory.

BTW, the MMPI is completely invalid scientifically, which is obvious from researching its history. Also, if anyone is interested in beating the MMPI, by learning how to give any particular result, it requires work and memorization since there's such a large number of questions and categories, but it's possible with study.

Re: Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I've read about it, it works to some extent as long as people believe in it. They want to get their clearance and believe cheating could be detected, so they tend to be more truthful. It's based on intimidation and observation. The examination starts when you enter the building and stops when you leave it.

Something that tells the truth inconsistently and nondeterministically sounds worse for our society than just asking the question under oath.

It's not inconsistent though. It's never caught a single spy. So it's got a 100% false negative rate. That's very consistent and reliable.

Re: Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

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> This as I'm getting ready to leave on my 12th deployment Unfortunately, people with far better credentials have been traitors and spies. Kim Philby, Aldrich Ames, and Robert Hanssen come to mind. IIRC, at least one was even given a pass on his polygraph test because of his credentials. Recently, Michael Flynn was a Lt General, head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and National Security Advisor (to be clear, he i…

Funny you should mention Aldrich Ames. The New York Times reported that: > Three years later, at the start of his career as a Russian mole, Aldrich Ames passed a Central Intelligence Agency lie detector test. In 1991, he passed another, even though he was on the agency's list of suspected moles and living at a level far above his $70,000 Government salary. Last summer, Dennis DeConcini, then chairman of the Senate In…

Interesting, thanks.

Why was Ames given a pass on the other signs of risk? Because of his credentials?

Re: Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

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Maybe it is how it's written, but this person's entire career reads like a rat navigating through a maze built by superiors. Even though they say the job is among the happiest times of their life, it helps put into perspective the follower mentality some have, especially in the public sector. I'd have given the middle finger right away knowing I can find enjoyable work sans harassment. To put it crudely, I can't even…

What is a reasonable hoop to jump through and what is unreasonable is very subjective. Consider...on the east coast, interview suits are the norm. Even for a coding job where you will never wear a suit, it is reasonable to wonder why a candidate refused to wear a suit for an interview. West coast, though, the reverse is true. I had quite the culture shock coming from a govt job on the east coast to a Seattle coding j…

The last time I wore a suit I was sixteen. That was 1971. Had to wear a tie at Mullard in Southampton, left in 1983 and haven't worn a tie since. Had a number of jobs as an electronics designer and software developer since in the UK and Norway. I just turn up to interviews neatly and quietly dressed. As far as I can tell my attire was of no consequence.

Re: Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

#108
post #91

The total fucking insanity of people in this thread defending a polygraph because they get their checks from the person giving it to them. “Yeah they don’t work but whatever just take them and forget about how pointless and absurd it is.” Reminds me of the attitude around school shootings. Grow a fucking spine you cowardly weasels. Frightening to think most of you work in intelligence/defense. What a crock of shit th…

Would you please stop posting flamebait to HN and breaking the site guidelines in sundry ways? We ban accounts that do that, and you've done it a lot. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Oh no! You allow politically charged articles that have nothing to with tech and are inherently divisive, then pull the thought police bullshit when the kitchen gets hot.

If you don’t want nasty discussion maybe apply the guidelines to the fucking articles not just the comments.

Re: Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

#109

Maybe it is how it's written, but this person's entire career reads like a rat navigating through a maze built by superiors. Even though they say the job is among the happiest times of their life, it helps put into perspective the follower mentality some have, especially in the public sector. I'd have given the middle finger right away knowing I can find enjoyable work sans harassment. To put it crudely, I can't even…

These sorts of situations are rife and you can pretty well tell from the interview where it's going. It needn't be a polygraph to know it's not worth the effort

Re: Personal Statement of a CIA Analyst

#110

Maybe it is how it's written, but this person's entire career reads like a rat navigating through a maze built by superiors. Even though they say the job is among the happiest times of their life, it helps put into perspective the follower mentality some have, especially in the public sector. I'd have given the middle finger right away knowing I can find enjoyable work sans harassment. To put it crudely, I can't even…

What is a reasonable hoop to jump through and what is unreasonable is very subjective. Consider...on the east coast, interview suits are the norm. Even for a coding job where you will never wear a suit, it is reasonable to wonder why a candidate refused to wear a suit for an interview. West coast, though, the reverse is true. I had quite the culture shock coming from a govt job on the east coast to a Seattle coding j…

https://books.google.ca/books?id=xZzJzihfCCQC < A machiavellian approach to men's fashion
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