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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by furgooswft13 »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #55
wildmusings wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a distortion of what’s happening. Crossing into the US illegally is a crime. We are now arresting and charging people who commit it. We do not send innocent children to prison, so the only option is separation. If you commit any other crime and are arrested, you will be “separated” from your child, because your child does not belong in prison. Why do you expect this to be any different?

Applying for asylum is a crime?

Not trying to get into a political flame fest here, but honest question: Is asylum seekers the new term for illegal immigrants? Before it was undocumented immigrants. I'll admit it seems like it may be a more effective terminology for garnering sympathy, but it also carries more expectations, some legal.

According to USCIS "asylum may be granted to people who have been persecuted or fear they will be persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion". The "fear" part is tricky of course but it cannot be denied that many of these people are crossing the border for economic reasons.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by briantakita »

aoeusnth1 wrote: post #63
ginger123 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you ok if illegals immigrants move into your neighborhood and compete for your job? EDIT: Why am I being downvoted? I asked a legitimate question. If illegal immigrants moved into your neighborhood and affected the socioeconomic status, school ratings etc of your neighborhood, how will you react? Will you advocate for the same policies you are advocating now? I have a feeling most of the people who are supporting…

Yes. Illegal immigrants contribute more to the economy than they get out of it.

That's true. Illegal immigrants contribute more to the human trafficking economy, the drug economy, & the sub-minimum wage work economy than they get out of it.

The real beneficiaries are the oligarchs pushing the open borders agenda.

Why not make their homelands better places to live instead? Why must all culture & communities be perpetually disrupted with war, economic liberalism, socialism, drugs, human trafficking?

Let's fix the root issues. Most of these people would rather have good homes with intact communities where they are from. Who wants to be a refugee or an illegal immigrant?

Let's be pro-human for a change, without the fake double-speak that destroys culture & families.

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Edit: Why the downvotes? Are you pro human trafficking?

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by ceejayoz »

wildmusings wrote: post #62
cycrutchfield wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Applying for asylum is a crime?

Applying for asylum at a port of entry is not a crime, and none of those people are being detained or separated from their kids. But crossing into the country illegally is a crime, even if you subsequently request asylum. Edit: Someone1234, I would reply directly but I’m rate limited. The incident you’re pointing out is more nuanced than that. To combat human trafficking, we separate children from adults we suspect m…

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

> Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section...

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/16/immigration-border-asylu...

> U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents are systematically violating U.S. and international law by blocking immigrants at international ports of entry on the southern border from entering the country so they can claim asylum.

> The blocking works this way: In the precise middle of the international bridges, CBP agents stand, sentry-like, near the imaginary line dividing the two countries — a line often marked with a ceremonial metal plaque. The agents peer at everyone crossing, looking for people they think might be candidates for asylum. If the people say anything suggesting they might be requesting asylum — if they’re not Mexicans, and especially if they’re from Central America — the agents block their way and say to come back another time.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by ThbTs4wbXC9Qjv »

Fire every single one of those Microsoft employees.

People in ICE protect me, mine, and our way of life with their lives every day of the week. I'm not going to flippantly say fuck those people because the politics of the day are making a mockery of a law that was duly imposed and enforced by both parties spanning multiple administrations because it's the fashionable political protest fad of the day.

Protest the leadership, not the in-the-trenches folk, the retail workers, or the on-the-ground law enforcement officers for what the people we elected decided to enact as law. I stand proudly by those who risk their lives for my safety and security against those who break our laws.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by IanDrake »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #60
downandout wrote: post #53

Could someone help me understand the issue with this whole thing? If you show up to commit a crime with your children in tow, you are going to wind up separated from them while you go to jail for that crime. That is as true for illegal entry as it is for bank robbery. Why does the Valley feel that it's OK for immigration laws to be violated? Even very liberal countries around the world tend to be tough on illegal imm…

It’s illegal to apply for asylum?

It’s not, but sneaking into a country is different than walking into a border checkpoint or embassy to request asylum.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

wildmusings wrote: post #62
cycrutchfield wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Applying for asylum is a crime?

Applying for asylum at a port of entry is not a crime, and none of those people are being detained or separated from their kids. But crossing into the country illegally is a crime, even if you subsequently request asylum. Edit: Someone1234, I would reply directly but I’m rate limited. The incident you’re pointing out is more nuanced than that. To combat human trafficking, we separate children from adults we suspect m…

I believe you're simplifying that.

  1. Refugees with legitimate requests are coming from Central and South America. 
  2. Many of those countries in question were result of US interference in their governments, leading to pro-US dictatorships
  3. The refugees have come to the border crossings to petition for refugee status under international law
  4. The US is a signatory for said international law
  5. When refugees try to petition, CBP agents have actively blocked their entry to do the paperwork as required for claiming said status
  6. Some have crossed illegally, and then unlike in prior administrations, criminal charges are levied
  7. Families are intentionally being split up into different for-profit prisons
  8. Children are split up, and there is no time limit for processing when they can get back with their parents
  9. Deportations have been done where the parents are sent back, then the kids are. Nobody knows where they were sent
This whole thing is a clusterfuck, based upon recent executive order and presidential blackmail of 'children for the wall' ( https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1007671131... ). I really don't know what else to say...

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by fareesh »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #55
wildmusings wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a distortion of what’s happening. Crossing into the US illegally is a crime. We are now arresting and charging people who commit it. We do not send innocent children to prison, so the only option is separation. If you commit any other crime and are arrested, you will be “separated” from your child, because your child does not belong in prison. Why do you expect this to be any different?

Applying for asylum is a crime?

It's a bit more nuanced. There are massive loopholes in the current asylum process that create a favorable outcome from anyone who tries.

The current backlog is 600,000 cases. You have to wait until your case is heard to determine credible threat to life or whatever your claim is. Till then many disappear into society and are never seen again.

Also 83% of kids didn't arrive at the border with their parents to begin with. They are accompanied by adults who are not their parents. The separation of kids from the adults during the waiting period for asylum affects 17% of kids who are actually with their parents when crossing over.

Between october 2017 to now there has been a 315% increase of people pretending to be families in order to game the system, essentially using kids as a means of getting more humane treatment.

The current outcry is a politically motivated PR campaign against the administration, who is faced with the extremely difficult task of dealing with criminals who are using children to shield themselves from strict consequences, and it seems to be working, thanks to the President's political opponents, who have knowingly taken the bait.

If you wanted to "hack" your way into the USA the steps used to be

1) Sneak across border

2) If not caught, congrats

3) If caught, surrender and claim asylum

4) While waiting for your hearing, disappear

5) Bring kids along to maximize the chance of actually getting asylum, or getting more lenient treatment while being processed or waiting for your trial

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by nickwalton00 »

ginger123 wrote: post #26

In my opinion, for decades politicians of this country tacitly allowed people to come to this country without adequate paperwork. Now asking them to go back is impractical and cruel. People who are here should be able to conduct their lives without the fear of getting arrested or deported while conducting everyday activities like going to dropping their kids to school or commuting to work. Let us be compassionate and…

Honestly I'm fine with people who illegally immigrated to just have a chance to square themselves with the law and be legal without a path to citizenship, then giving citizenship to their children. They did break the law so I think it's fair to have consequences. But they don't need to be afraid of getting deported from the place they've lived the last 20 years.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

ThbTs4wbXC9Qjv wrote: post #104

Fire every single one of those Microsoft employees. People in ICE protect me, mine, and our way of life with their lives every day of the week. I'm not going to flippantly say fuck those people because the politics of the day are making a mockery of a law that was duly imposed and enforced by both parties spanning multiple administrations because it's the fashionable political protest fad of the day. Protest the lead…

Hahaha. Just hahaha. Never knew imprisoning children required a lot of bravery.
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