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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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One thing I never understand is how people claim to support both equality and pro-minority/anti-majority actions at the same time. It's like saying you support democracy and kim jong un.

If you're trying to to cook a PH-balanced dish, and it's currently too acidic, you'll discriminate in favor of adding high-PH ingredients, no?

But if had 90% acid and 10% base in your storage, would you throw away most of the acid to get a neutral solution?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

These kind of posts (and the amount of anti-Google articles here) make me think that Google is currently targeted by paid trolling/smear campaign.

Perhaps, but that user has been on HN since 2011 - not many posts though

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

These kind of posts (and the amount of anti-Google articles here) make me think that Google is currently targeted by paid trolling/smear campaign.

Maybe there are actual people that feel this way? Crazy, I know.

Oh who am I kidding, it must be Russians.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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What about if you are white working-class man? Is a middle-class black woman less privileged than a white working-class man? What about short versus tall people? What about beautiful versus ugly people? The halo effect is well-known. The whole thing is just absurd and dehumanising.

> Is a middle-class black woman less privileged than a white working-class man?

Yes, on average, significantly. I'd be interested in your definition of "privilege" though.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusing people of not reading the memo doesn’t contribute anything to the conversation. If you share Damore’s views, just say so rather than trying to distract.

There are a couple of reasons people are so quick to claim other people didn't read the memo verbatim. The first being that the first major publication to run with it, and the biggest one here on HN, was the verge's article where citations and graphs were stripped away from it. The other is that is it often given such uncharitable descriptions that people who have read it simply can't believe the hate levied at it co…

There are many people who’ve read it and reached the same conclusion about his claims. Simply accusing people of not having read it – or the other standard talking point of claiming that the citations somehow completely change the meaning – is a dishonest way to avoid engaging with those criticisms. If they’re wrong, it should be easy to demonstrate that or find a statement by Damore that he didn’t intend his words to be read that way.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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People should check out the actual complaint [0]. It includes a lot of things the article doesn't including: A screenshot of an email from Allison Alogna to "Team" stating > Please continue with L3 candidates in process and only accept new L3 candidates that are from historically unrepresented groups. Another stating in part > And we should only consider L3s from our underrepresented groups. It also tells us that thi…

This definitely changes the tone of things. That's pure discrimination. It would be one thing to set quotas that favor a group, it's another to exclude any group at all.

Sounds like someone above the manager is responsible for this and the manager is carrying out orders. You don't get a historic paper trail like that by not being told to continue on.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't too big to fail, it's "a bad egg doesn't ruin the bunch." Whether that's the case here is arguable, but no one is saying they aren't responsible for their actions.

Is 'allowing for variance' up to and including racism and sexisism in hiring? Because it seems like you are giving them a pass, because there are many hiring managers.

If someone who worked for Walmart became a murderer, would you condemn all of Walmart as murderers? Promoting a culture of murder?

If that's too far removed from the actual job for you, how about if someone at Walmart acted in a sexist way in an interview. Would you condemn all of Walmart? Would you automatically assume there is a culture of sexism? Or would you at least entertain the possibility that Walmart employs thousands of managers, so it's not crazy to imagine that some of them might sometimes act in sexist ways, even without such a corporate culture?

You need more than a few instances to prove a claim of "this must be a cultural thing", IMO.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

I feel the exact opposite. I love going to work everyday at Google. I get the way you describe at previous companies. Not at Google.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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It sounds like it was one manager. Is that all you need to blacklist an entire company?

How a company deals with a bad manager is very important. Assuming you believe the accusations (1), the fact that Google wasn't immediately firing people and settling with the plaintiff is worse than the original complaint. (1) A big if. I haven't seen any hard evidence yet.

I imagine that not believing the accusations (or believing other accusations - true or not - made by the manager against the plaintiff) play a large role in Google not rushing to settle. They'd be mad not to regardless of their politics if the course of events happened exactly as described.
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