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Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by jbigelow76 » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:44 PM UTC

pastastickers wrote: post #25

jbigelow76 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The app stores market your app for you? Ha!

Apple’s ‘App of the Day’ featuring boosts downloads by 1747%, games by 792%[1] [1] https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/24/apples-app-of-the-day-feat...

Sure getting featured helps, just like if a fashion designer has a celebrity photographed in their clothes, they will probably see a temporary bump in sales.

Getting featured on the App Store is one time, possibly incredibly beneficial, event, but it is not a marketing plan.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by Animats » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:46 PM UTC

Because it allows users to send inappropriate content?

What next, automatic voice censorship? That's technically feasible now.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by csydas » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:47 PM UTC

SauciestGNU wrote: post #92

thanatropism wrote: post #28

Every social network has a "weird" subset. "Weird facebook" is circularly-referencing visual memes. Weird Telegram is people who mix their Deleuze and Bataille and come up with something like the Andy Kaufmann version of witchcraft mysticism. I mean, it's awesome.

Never used telegram but that sounds interesting. Are there public channels for this sort of thing?

Yes. You can have persistent channels with up to 100000 members which operate more or less like an individual chat. The program has separate notification settings for group chats, allows pinning of messages, etc. Content is shared the same way, you can integrate bots pretty easily into channels, and so on. Just search online for channels or browse through this list: https://tchannels.me

It's pretty handy, and how deep you go is up to you.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by gpmcadam » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:50 PM UTC

pentae wrote: post #2

Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

Ahh the race track. It's just like the highway, except the roads are smaller and a corporation gets to control who drives on it. And they make you pay to use it. Brilliant.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by qwerty456127 » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:55 PM UTC

Why not remove Chrome, Safari and E-mail clients for inappropriate content too? Why not WhatsApp, Skype or iMessage? Telegram is just a wire, it's up to the users if they want to use it to talk to other users that speak 'inappropriate'.

This is why I will never buy an iPhone (though I don't mind a MacBook as long as root access and legal ways to install Linux have not been locked on them yet) - I want to use the device the way I want, have full control over its filesystem, run the apps I want without all that store bullshit (which hits even harder if you live outside the USA by the way, in synergy with your local government bullshit and with what corporations think about your region market) and decide what is appropriate for me myself.

Today Apple is a fascist organization. Historical fascists did fairly good in eye-candy design and hardware quality too but that's the only good part of them and it's pretty much ruined by so much crazy fascist bullshit to tolerate in exchange.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by EADGBE » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:55 PM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #69

lj3 wrote: post #5

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> but will not pay for web sites. Subscriptions to web-based services don't count as paying for web sites?

The only way people would pay for web sites in the extent they pay for apps is if it’s as convenient. I don’t want to log in to get the paid benefits for example. I don’t want to enter my cc details to pay the subscription if it could be avoided by “the store” already knowing it, and so on. In the end reality is that I just pass on buying subscriptions and would probably prefer buying subscriber access to a website i…

With Stripe's integration of Apple Pay/Google Pay are you more willing or less willing to pay to use a web site?

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by FussyZeus » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:59 PM UTC

m12k wrote: post #93

squarefoot wrote: post #79

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"except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it" There is more to it. Using apps instead of websites we're killing the whole concept of making information and services available using a standard protocol. That's like going back over 30 years, even before gopher. Then there is the cloud->mainframe similarity, with data and services being moved somewhere into the net where the use…

> Using apps instead of websites we're killing the whole concept of making information and services available using a standard protocol I think the interesting thing to note here is that for most end users a standard protocol is not nearly as appealing as a standard user interface. Like how most iOS apps follow common navigation paradigms, so users don't need to spend time learning each new one. And how people tend t…

IMHO I think you've hit the nail on the head. iOS main attraction for many users I know is the simplicity. You can complain all day about Apple's guidelines and iron fist enforcement, and I'd occasionally agree with you too, probably many times. Simple fact is though that outside the walled garden everyone complains about is a jungle of terrible UX, laggy interfaces, slow loading web pages dumping megabytes of trackers and advertising through a connection you're paying for.

I'm not saying the App Store is perfect, not by a country mile is it. I'm just saying if you compare it to the Play store, and the wider Internet, holy moly do walled gardens look nice.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by mahemm » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 6:11 PM UTC

verytrivial wrote: post #76

mahemm wrote: post #65

Following all of the negative press Signal has gotten recently, I feel it's unethical to let a Telegram post pass without a reminder that they don't even bother to encrypt group chats, and that there is still no proof whatsoever that their protocol is secure.

> Following all of the negative press Signal has gotten about security flaws Sorry, what? Can you show me where Signal has been implicated in flaws? There are some stories about security agencies bypassing Signal, but that is true on any hardware platform you didn't wire-wrap yourself.

I worded that poorly and have edited the OP to reflect that.

I was referring to the recently re-discovered paper about group chats (e.g. https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2018/01/11/whatsapp-signal-g... paper here: https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/713.pdf)

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by mahemm » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 6:14 PM UTC

emsy wrote: post #88

mahemm wrote: post #65

Following all of the negative press Signal has gotten recently, I feel it's unethical to let a Telegram post pass without a reminder that they don't even bother to encrypt group chats, and that there is still no proof whatsoever that their protocol is secure.

You are a murderer and I still have seen no proof whatsoever that you are innocent.

What's your quip for plaintext group chat

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by Theodores » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 6:32 PM UTC

igloofoo wrote: post #77

There may be political motive to this. Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"? Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership…

I think the 'moral panic' about crypto is a far more likely political reason. Nobody had heard of Telegram before, now it is where you go to find out what coin is going to the moon next.

Yesterday Facebook took down all crypto-gambling adverts. There is a duty of care to not be the company responsible for making your customers crypto bag-holders. The gig is up with crypto in its current scam incarnation.