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I'm happy paying for schools despite having no children because it benefit society as a whole. Can we not apply the same thinking here?
That was not the point. The point is that universal healthcare is taking money from my pocket and giving it to someone else.
Because the money we put into Defense, Europe puts into the comunal programs that boost said quality-of-life indicators. Perks of being a superpower I guess. Love it or hate it, the argument could be made that without America choosing that path, Europe would not be able to enjoy the quality-of-life they have now.
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>universally loved by everyone I don't think something can be universally loved. There are many stories of long waiting times and people going overseas for private healthcare. People like private healthcare because it aligns with America's love of freedom - which includes the freedom to fail.
I have had a chance to speak with quite a few people who spent some time living in a country with universal healthcare, and not a single one would give it up or think that the American system is better. Or even acceptable, for that matter. Public healthcare does not mean lack of private healthcare. I’ve heard Canadians complain about the lack of private options awhile back, but I think even that is solved now.
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What you say about individualists could just as well be said about collectivists.
Collectivists just want to be left alone? How does that work?
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The article. Also, those European countries don't have tax rates much larger (if at all) than the US. It's just that in the US, it gets wasted.
Oh but they do. You'll pay up to 2/3 of your income in taxes in Germany for instance.
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So? I still didn't say the EU is collectivist or mention it at all. Both EU and the US have collectivist and individualist policies.
"I don't think Americans will ever be convinced collectivism is superior until there's some organization or company created within the States that ends up being far superior to everything else."
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>universally loved by everyone Maybe a little strong on my part. Asked "would you scrap the NHS?" to randoms on the street i bet you would get a very strong no vote.
Is such a system sustainable though? Isn't England in a massive hole of debt? And if that debt comes due, what would happen to the quality of the NHS?
They have no point of reference for comparison.
Indeed, and they travel more domestically than abroad [1]. There isn't enough difference between states to broad those horizons. [1] https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-whose-citizens...
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"I don't think Americans will ever be convinced collectivism is superior until there's some organization or company created within the States that ends up being far superior to everything else."
Not following you -- even in your quote I don't mention the EU.
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> Individual rights are what makes the West successful compared to the rest of the world. We're talking about Western-style democratic socialism, as found in Sweden, Norway, Germany, England, etc. here. Terrifying totalitarian hellholes they're not.
I agree with what you wrote, but why does the US have be the same as those countries? Why can't there be a variety of implementations of government such that different humans can choose different situations for their own needs? I'd still like to see Cuba change to a fully democratic communist state, for example.
I wonder if this is not an oxymoron. In my view, democracy means (a lot of) politics, while communism means no or very little politics (in a true sense of the word).