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Re: AI-Assisted Fake Porn Is Here

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Post by WillReplyfFood »

ekimekim wrote: post #8
rndmize wrote: post #4

Contrary to the article's stance that this would be used to create fake revenge porn or celebrity sex tapes that are taken as real, I'd expect this to devalue the real thing and give space for people to claim anything with their face in it is fake.

We've already seen this with images and Photoshop. Society and their heuristics of belief will adjust as these new capabilities become widespread. What's more troubling is that as media becomes falsifiable, solid evidence of...well, anything, becomes hard to have. The ultimate loser there is the truth, sadly.

You could make a market out of tamper proof blockchained cameras?

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Post by belorn »

labster wrote: post #87
unholiness wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could have said the same thing about Photoshop. Journalism is as good as the integrity of the source. In places, you could argue that's systematically eroding. I don't think you can argue that fake videos are what will bring it down.

Journalism is as good as ever. It's easier than ever before to gather facts and verify sources. The problems faced are external to journalism: a losing business model, and government saying that journalists aren't trustworthy. But the integrity of the press is fine. There are less yellow outfits than there were a century ago, even.

You say the integrity of the press is fine, so lets look at two examples: Huffington post and fox news during the 2016 election and any international or global news related to political subjects. Terms like hyperpartisan comes in mind, as does recollections that number of articles and time on front pages was something like 1:20 depending on which side the news site leaned towards. Integrity of the press would not be the words I would use.

http://wilkins.law.harvard.edu/projects/2017-08_mediacloud/G...

Remember that image? I would bet good money that the amount of green has gone down steadily the last 50 years, and Journalism is at the lowest point it has ever been. I would also predict that the amount of politician donations and lobbying has never been as high in the Journalism industry, nor the amount of quid pro quo between journalists and politicians.

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Post by acdha »

nickparker wrote: post #95
acdha wrote: post #70

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At least Nikon has offered a similar idea for awhile: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/software/img_auth/index.htm The catch is that it has been hacked before: https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2011/04/nikon-image-authenticatio... The Secure Enclave helps a lot but the Nikon hsck illustrates a hazard of needing devices to be updated, especially since there’s an obvious opening for someone to use a plausible old vulnerable de…

The time stamp is handled on receipt of the hash by third parties in my mind, not by the originating device. Ideally the position component of the data would also be verified by 3rd parties, eg cell towers receiving the data add their own signatures so you know it was at least in the region it claims. The high quality prints problem is more interesting. I’d hope that sort of trick would be detectable by inspection, b…

One risk: all of that could make a forgery more persuasive. Imagine some James O’Keefe style operative preparing a fake but not uploading it until they drive by the victim’s house, rent a room in the same hotel or near their office, etc. How many people would see the extra metadata and decide it proved accuracy?

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Post by dogma1138 »

ShabbosGoy wrote: post #74
dogma1138 wrote: post #32

Not exactly a new concept but it’s likely extremely cheap now and would even get cheaper and better. With VR porn, the new sex toys for men and women and now this I’m somewhat happy that this wasn’t around when I was a teenager as I’m really not confident I would have left the room if that was available.

Reminds me of “I Dated a Robot” from Futurama.

More like the rick and morty episode with the sexbot...

"I Dated a Robot" actually has dating in it.... if we had a human or near human AI datebot that would be quite different since whilst you won't be participating in the continuation of the human species at least at that time you would also not be losing any social interaction skills.

This could be nothing and this could be the same thing as the rage against hustler in the 70's and internet porn in the mid 90's but for someone who grewup with every nasty available when I tried one of the higher end recent VR porn productions on my Oculus the feeling that you get from it is quite different.

I've tried VR porn as a joke like 1-2 years ago when the Google VR stuff started and back then it was pretty garbage it was mostly just barrel projection of a standard porn scene that wasn't shot with the intention of VR. The new stuff is shot with proper cameras, uses 3D audio and it's just creepy how convincing it has gotten so far despite the major drawbacks of the current VR headsets.

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Post by GuB-42 »

breakingcups wrote: post #100
GuB-42 wrote: post #37

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We already have such tools. This is an example: http://fotoforensics.com/ An issue that the same algorithms that can be used to differentiate between real and fake can be used to train AIs to make better fakes. But here, the fake detector has the advantage in the arms race. Another approach is to use cryptographic signatures. Some cameras sign can sign pictures to ensure they are original.

I can point the camera at a high-resolution screen or printed out photo though.

I don't think it would work. A 4k screen has 8Mp, that's less than a cell phone camera. The artefacts will likely be obvious to those who know where to looks.

Printing may be a better option with regard to resolution but because the print color gamut is different, simple analysis can probably give away the trick really easily.

Furthermore, assuming EXIF informations are signed along with the rest of the picture, you also make all the metadata match the picture. A sharp picture and bright daylight is not consistant with a slow shutter speed for instance.

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Post by swyx »

Quiark wrote: post #82
swyx wrote: post #80

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i often wonder if there is a way for people to put information on the blockchain so it -is- verifiable (you can post a public key to demonstrate that the information is from you). so that all public information is only official if its on the blockchain. soon enough people learn that they can't trust anything that is not on blockchain. of course, talk is cheap. i dont have the chops to actually spec this out.

did you know you can make digital signatures without a blockchain

immutability/permanent record

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Post by swyx »

bschwindHN wrote: post #90
swyx wrote: post #80

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i often wonder if there is a way for people to put information on the blockchain so it -is- verifiable (you can post a public key to demonstrate that the information is from you). so that all public information is only official if its on the blockchain. soon enough people learn that they can't trust anything that is not on blockchain. of course, talk is cheap. i dont have the chops to actually spec this out.

Yeah and then someone puts something fake on the blockchain. Now what?

then it wouldnt be signed by them

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Post by bschwindHN »

swyx wrote: post #107
bschwindHN wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and then someone puts something fake on the blockchain. Now what?

then it wouldnt be signed by them

"Oh that porn video of me isn't signed. My signed porn videos are over there"

How are you not seeing the obvious issues with your idea? People are not going to put compromising photos and videos on this blockchain because they are compromising. And yet some compromising photos and videos taken by other people are real. The fact that it's "on the blockchain" means basically nothing in this case.

Other users who were discussing "hardware signing" are closer to a working system. This is not a problem for a blockchain to solve.

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Post by cuckcuckspruce »

dillondoyle wrote: post #97
cuckcuckspruce wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't wait to tell my (future, 10-15 years from now or so) kids stories about the Internet from when I was a kid and have them ask, "daddy, is it really true that you could post on the internet without giving a blood sample, retinal scan, and fingerprints to your ISP and didn't have to tie your real name and address to all of your comments?".

Lol. I refuse to use the face scanner on my new iPhone for similar ideological reasons. But we also already do this across platforms: TW verified, banks/Coinbase verification using IDs etc.

There's a difference between having some platforms requiring personal information and having Internet access predicated on everyone knowing your identity.

For example, I want my bank to know my email address, phone number, and physical address because I want to receive fraud notifications, to make telephone banking transactions, and to receive paper statements.

I do not want forums that I shitpost on to have any of that information, nor do I want it to be written into law that any service I access over the Internet is required to ask for and log that information.

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