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Re: AI-Assisted Fake Porn Is Here

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Post by Eliezer »

rndmize wrote: post #4

Contrary to the article's stance that this would be used to create fake revenge porn or celebrity sex tapes that are taken as real, I'd expect this to devalue the real thing and give space for people to claim anything with their face in it is fake.

I'd like to believe that, but I suspect that more likely would be that people believe the videos of their friends are fake and believe the videos of their enemies are real, pushing us further down the easy slope of polarization by giving it even more fodder to work with.

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Post by Quiark »

swyx wrote: post #80
ekimekim wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've already seen this with images and Photoshop. Society and their heuristics of belief will adjust as these new capabilities become widespread. What's more troubling is that as media becomes falsifiable, solid evidence of...well, anything, becomes hard to have. The ultimate loser there is the truth, sadly.

i often wonder if there is a way for people to put information on the blockchain so it -is- verifiable (you can post a public key to demonstrate that the information is from you). so that all public information is only official if its on the blockchain. soon enough people learn that they can't trust anything that is not on blockchain. of course, talk is cheap. i dont have the chops to actually spec this out.

did you know you can make digital signatures without a blockchain

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Post by unholiness »

iamben wrote: post #68

Despite some comments here, I don't thing society will adjust to this for a long time, if ever. We already live in a world where you can create bias with words on a page or a website, moreso if they come via someone with influence. Imagine an AI generated 5 second clip of Weinstein saying something scandalous about raping women, or imagine Trump retweeting _anything_. People choose to believe something that fits with…

You could have said the same thing about Photoshop. Journalism is as good as the integrity of the source. In places, you could argue that's systematically eroding. I don't think you can argue that fake videos are what will bring it down.

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Post by dillondoyle »

I've been thinking a lot about trust, reality, and sourcing. I wonder if we'll move towards cryptographically signing content and facts so we have a verification of legitimacy.

Maybe a blockchain single source of truth, using tiered identity verification where one can accumulate identifiers and use this ID to sign content (biometrics, other verified IDs can vouch for your verification etc higher score = less risk of fake). Seems like these things all already exist the big problems would be putting it together, scale, and easy clarity. For instance making it so my mom's browser or email automatically verifies signed content (and maybe more important denotes unverified or verified false) and clearly presents this like the green lock key in internet browsers.

I wonder if something like this could be extended to verify beyond like an MD5 checksum saying this email or photo is real - i.e. solving problems like 'fake news.'

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Post by natecavanaugh »

I would imagine in ~5 years this will primarily be used in apps for the purpose of vanity clips (ala Snapchat, MASQRD, etc) and otherwise trivialized, as well as probably some very profound and moving applications (think of a deceased loved one bringing to life heartfelt messages, dissidents using a dictators face to deliver messages to their troops, or even ones we can't begin to fathom until it's so easy that anyone with an iPhone can mask themselves with someone else's picture).

All of this, IMHO, will shape our general cynicism and distrust of recorded evidence, which will lead the way to us finding other heuristics to sniff out bs. I think this is an overall net gain, but I do agree, there will be some people who's lives are destroyed by what this enables, which really sucks, to put it lightly.

The upside, at least, is that we already have people looking to find ways to deal with this right now.

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Post by ACow_Adonis »

telesilla wrote: post #53
pjc50 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. The worst use of this will be forged political speeches. What happens when you can fake any video of anyone saying anything and then feed it to the social media outrage machine?

As the parent noted, society will adjust expectations about how to determine facts. When radio first came along, some people were fooled that Orson Welles's War of the Worlds [1] was actually happening, because it was in the style of a news broadcast. We learn and adjust how to process data as systems change around us. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/infamous-war-worlds-r...

Yes, but that in no way implies that the method/means society adjusts it's behaviours/expectations will be desirable.

One could even hypothesise that social media bubbles are the first step precisely in that direction.

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Post by labster »

unholiness wrote: post #83
iamben wrote: post #68

Despite some comments here, I don't thing society will adjust to this for a long time, if ever. We already live in a world where you can create bias with words on a page or a website, moreso if they come via someone with influence. Imagine an AI generated 5 second clip of Weinstein saying something scandalous about raping women, or imagine Trump retweeting _anything_. People choose to believe something that fits with…

You could have said the same thing about Photoshop. Journalism is as good as the integrity of the source. In places, you could argue that's systematically eroding. I don't think you can argue that fake videos are what will bring it down.

Journalism is as good as ever. It's easier than ever before to gather facts and verify sources. The problems faced are external to journalism: a losing business model, and government saying that journalists aren't trustworthy. But the integrity of the press is fine. There are less yellow outfits than there were a century ago, even.

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Post by cuckcuckspruce »

dillondoyle wrote: post #84

I've been thinking a lot about trust, reality, and sourcing. I wonder if we'll move towards cryptographically signing content and facts so we have a verification of legitimacy. Maybe a blockchain single source of truth, using tiered identity verification where one can accumulate identifiers and use this ID to sign content (biometrics, other verified IDs can vouch for your verification etc higher score = less risk of…

Can't wait to tell my (future, 10-15 years from now or so) kids stories about the Internet from when I was a kid and have them ask, "daddy, is it really true that you could post on the internet without giving a blood sample, retinal scan, and fingerprints to your ISP and didn't have to tie your real name and address to all of your comments?".

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Post by brucephillips »

dillondoyle wrote: post #84

I've been thinking a lot about trust, reality, and sourcing. I wonder if we'll move towards cryptographically signing content and facts so we have a verification of legitimacy. Maybe a blockchain single source of truth, using tiered identity verification where one can accumulate identifiers and use this ID to sign content (biometrics, other verified IDs can vouch for your verification etc higher score = less risk of…

Probably not, since most news is derivative.

Re: AI-Assisted Fake Porn Is Here

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Post by bschwindHN »

swyx wrote: post #80
ekimekim wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've already seen this with images and Photoshop. Society and their heuristics of belief will adjust as these new capabilities become widespread. What's more troubling is that as media becomes falsifiable, solid evidence of...well, anything, becomes hard to have. The ultimate loser there is the truth, sadly.

i often wonder if there is a way for people to put information on the blockchain so it -is- verifiable (you can post a public key to demonstrate that the information is from you). so that all public information is only official if its on the blockchain. soon enough people learn that they can't trust anything that is not on blockchain. of course, talk is cheap. i dont have the chops to actually spec this out.

Yeah and then someone puts something fake on the blockchain. Now what?
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