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Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I will happily be wrong about this, but isn't a lead time of a year for a "mass market" vehicle a bit of an ask. Last time I bought a car the "lead time" was a week.

This is why I'm buying a Chevy Bolt this weekend. My current lease is up and the Bolt is here right now. No reservations and wait lists. The Model 3 looks great, but the process to get one seems geared only people that really like Tesla, not someone like me that doesn't really care about cars.

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No driver display in model 3? This will be a big disappointment for many people.

Almost every vehicle, even budget sub-compacts, have driver displays now. The utilization of that display varies from nigh useless (odometer, oil minders, etc.) to very useful (navigational directions, at-a-glance music selection via steering wheel based controls, etc.). Removing this display from the Model 3 seems like a design choice intended to artificially distinguish and demote the Model 3 from the Model S.

It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today.

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It is should have been Model E, like it was originally intended. But I heard that some people didn't like the idea of S/E/X...

No, it was because Ford holds the trademark for Model E: http://insideevs.com/ford-motor-company-filed-for-model-e-tr...

Why not drop Model from the name? Porsche 911 vs Porsche Model 911. Tesla S vs Tesla Model S.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I couldn't stop feeling like this page is nothing else but a promotion for "Model S" which is "superior and now" rather than the other car which is "inferior and 1 year later". Price would've been the biggest (and only) reason for "Model 3" but it's not shown on the page. Added extra details for "Model 3" is a nice trick to boost virality of the promotion aimed at its target audience -- potential Model 3 buyers. Well…

This is almost disgustingly obvious. There are no prices listed on the page, and as far as I can tell they are comparing a base Model 3 to the highest-spec Model S. It screams "oh yeah we've got that Model 3 thing, but you can't buy it for 14 months. look at this really cool Model S!"

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Having to look down and over to see the speed seems like a big change from basically every other car on the road. Is this even within regulations in most places?

Several production cars have a centre speedometer, Minis for one. I've seen digital centered dashtop speedos in other mass market cars too... I just can't recall them at the moment. I have used a GPS speedo on my screenmounted device for years, and looking down and forwards for my speed seems unnatural now. You get used to it.

Older Citroen C4 models used to have it, too: https://www.google.ro/search?q=citroen+c4+interior&client=fi...

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As many people seem to take issue with my statement that I find it less safe if I don't have the option to overtake quickly someone who is doing 120-130km/h, i'd like to describe a situation which I notice at least once a week on the Autobahn: I'm going 130-150 in the center lane, normal traffic flow speed. Someone in front of me in the center lane goes 130, but drives rather unsafely, serves to the left and right, b…

I had to convert units to miles per hour to get a handle on the situation. For others in my boat: You're going 80-93 mph in the center lane, and the unsafe driver impeding you is going 80 mph. In order to overtake this erratic driver, you need to move to the left lane and accelerate to 93-110 mph. The trouble is, on the Autobahn, drivers in the left lane are usually traveling at speeds of 110-137 mph, and often times…

I believe you have a slight conversion error. I don't think you're seeing speeds of 200mph. (that would be 320+ kph!)

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There is a misconception that the Model 3 is the most advanced Tesla model simply because it is the newest Tesla model. This was cannibalizing the sales of the Model S more than Tesla expected it to. Buyer who could afford a Model S or Model X were waiting for the Model 3 because they were under the mistaken belief that the Model 3 would offer all the newest, cutting edge technologies and self-driving capabilities. A…

For what you get, $100,000 is a complete rip-off.

Now if you are buying exotic cars, sure, $100,000 is nothing.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I'm really interested in the topspeed. For german customers all the current gen EVs(Bolt/i3/Leaf/Ioniq) with a topspeed of 140-150km/h are to my opinion not really save to drive on the Autobahn as you don't have some speed buffer to overtake someone who's driving 120-130km/h fast enough. If Tesla manages to give the Model 3 a top-speed of 200km/h that would be a game-changer and make it a viable car for me. The Model…

Well that really depends how you drive / how the cars accelerate. I've experienced being on the autobahn and not being able to overtake because I can't accelerate fast enough (turbocharger on my car had broken, pedal to the floor and was only managing 120-130). I wouldn't however class it as dangerous. I find acceleration perhaps more important as the car has to be able to speed up enough to merge onto the autobahn s…

Even if you aren't the sort to accelerate heavily most of the time, it's useful to have the ability. I've been in a handful of situations where quick acceleration has saved me from a potentially fatal outcome. Both instances involved things falling from flatbed trailers that would gone through my windshield like a hot knife through butter. One was a large poly storage tank whose strap broke, bouncing off the trailer and into traffic before going off the side of a bridge (it was surprisingly bouncy); the other involved square steel tubes that weren't secured in a niche under the trailer. They slid out the side as I was overtaking the truck at the end of a gradual turn on the interstate just as I was coming beside them. In both instances, because of how things played out, slowing--the normal impulse--would have likely put me right smack in their way.

Stupid truck operators who don't know how to secure things aside, even in normal traffic it's useful. Just look at most on-ramps in the US compared to on the autobahn. Even most of the longer ones can require quick acceleration to safely merge. Especially in traffic. I still remember my first trip to LA and the shit rental car I had the "pleasure" of driving. Had I gotten out and pushed, I'd probably have gotten up to the speed of traffic faster. That said, the Model 3 at a 5.6 second 0-60 time is above average. It might not be a match for the higher-end Model S variants, but most people won't have any issues with it.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Yeah. I reserved the Model 3 a while ago, but I've been leaning more and more toward just canceling it and getting a Model S. Even though I can afford it, it's just a lot of money for someone like me who isn't really a "car person" anyway.

That's what is terrific about the Model S. One does not have to be a 'car person' to really appreciate that vehicle. I would say that if you are already considering it, go ahead and get the S. You will most certainly not regret it.

I'm not a car person and I appreciate why people like high-end cars. I had a lot of fun a couple years back tooling around BMW's track inSouth Carolina. However, because I'm not a car person, I also can't see paying $100K for a car given other ways I could spend the money.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Hmm, in my case, not at all. Depends on your location and use case. In my London situation, 95% of my journeys will be within 50 miles easily. I imagine it's more of an issue in the US and similar.

In my London situation, 80% of my journeys will be within 20 miles. However, I don't have a garage or even a house. I park on the street and I would need at least 1 weekly trip to some charging station. In the 5% times I go over that distance, I will need to stop to charge when leaving and coming back ( considering I have never driven in the direction of a SuperCharger, so the only one available is in London ) So wel…

Accepted, I wouldn't want to be solely dependant on a supercharger. I'm not even sure I need a supercharger. Has to be home-charging for me.

It's possible, at this point in time, that maybe you aren't the demographic. I wouldn't blame Musk for that, really. More of an city infrastructure issue. I mean, I don't see a huge push towards generic charging points all over the city despite things moving in that direction.

There was some green deal thing a year or two ago where they were subsidising charging points at home ... of course, they scrapped that ... I guess that wouldn't help you anyway.

Maybe you're better off with a hybrid and get a Tesla when either the city charging situation improves or your home situation changes.

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