Yo can I get a copy of the Apps source code? Open Whisper Systems source is GPLv3.
I also like how they are adopting existing standards (planned interoperability with uPort) instead of a NIH syndrome.
Introducing Token
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Re: Introducing Token
#102Maybe I am not getting it but ethereum is way to complex to make it successful - and because it is decentralised it looks deeply fragmented. As I said, I am probably not getting it.
I can tell you that I'm building a proof-of-concept medical provider registry on ethereum right now for a US state in my free time and the entire registry with a rather deep security model and tons of functionality is a total of 230 lines of smart contract code (this represents the "server side" of the registry) It'll probably be around 500 lines if it reaches production.
I bet you the next smallest state-level medical provider registry right now is probably 50,000 lines of server-side code.
How does this make ethereum too complex to be useful?
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure why this is downvoted, looks like a decent question asked in good faith
It's because he wrote this: > or the people running the network decide upon a hard fork? which screams malice aforethought to people. The idea is that Ethereum had a hard fork which has divided people across two sides. To average people, you can get them to take any side depending upon how you compose the questions. You ask a non-techie: 1. What would you think if a company like Venmo decides to revert donations you…
I actually thought twice about writing that because it does seem a little unfair. The Eth guys didn't want to do that hard fork and I'm sure they have no intentions of ever having one again.
But that was the case before the first fork. There was no indication that was going to happen then, either. so if it's five years from now, more people are relying on Ethereum and something we can't anticipate requires (truly or not it doesn't matter) another hard fork? Can you convince users that won't happen under any circumstances? We have a precedent.
Seems perfectly fair and not an invalid question if we are talking about people in the real world using Ethereum and not just a bunch of early adopters. Is it not?
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
The more confusing thing is what will happen when the userbase finds out Ethereum "smart contracts" aren't good for anything except online gambling which certainly will not be allowed on the TokenBrowser app. Also, I shook my head when I saw your screenshot, that is certainly not a good first impression.
That's not true at all though. Smart Contracts are being used in a wide variety of great projects. In my opinion what's really missing is a fiat currency token, that can be legally recognised as actual money for a lot of business to be able to go massive.
> That's not true at all though. Smart Contracts are being used in a wide variety of great projects.
Do you have any examples of projects that would be truly different or impossible to implement without smart contracts?
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not true at all though. Smart Contracts are being used in a wide variety of great projects. In my opinion what's really missing is a fiat currency token, that can be legally recognised as actual money for a lot of business to be able to go massive.
> That's not true at all though. Smart Contracts are being used in a wide variety of great projects. Do you have any examples of projects that would be truly different or impossible to implement without smart contracts?
Well that depends in what's truly different for you. A quick example, because I'm on my phone, is [1], which is enabling donating to specific people around the world with total transparency through smart contracts
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#106Because it's not immediately clear, this is a project developed by Coinbase, but under its own brand. The demo, which is available on the Apple Store and Google Play store uses TestNet Ether for now.
Yeah, I found it confusing that the ownership of the project was nowhere mentioned on tokenbrowser.com. The code seems to be copyrighted by "Token Browser, Inc" so I'm curious what sort of entity that is, whether it's just owned by Coinbase or what.
https://github.com/tokenbrowser/token-app-js/blob/master/LIC...
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#107I'll bite. Why do I need this?
You know how twitter killed off all those nice third-party twitter clients a while ago? With this tool, even the creators of the app can't stop people from creating alternate UIs for chat/payments/etc. You know how AWS went down a while ago and github (and a zillion other sites) stopped working? With this tool, you could log into a repo manager (several are in the works) and there is no single point of failure that c…
Great explanation! I would also add that the code does not necessarily have to be turing complete. There is a new language that complies to EVM bytecode that is decidable (not turing complete) https://github.com/ethereum/viper
It's a little less expressive, which makes it safer. Easier to reason about the code, for example)
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That's not true at all though. Smart Contracts are being used in a wide variety of great projects. Do you have any examples of projects that would be truly different or impossible to implement without smart contracts?
Well that depends in what's truly different for you. A quick example, because I'm on my phone, is [1], which is enabling donating to specific people around the world with total transparency through smart contracts [1] http://www.giveth.io/
This is a perfect example of what I was talking about. It is a nice idea. However there are no problems charities face that existing FIAT currencies or bitcoin or standard real-world contracts don't already solve. Unless there is a case to be made that censorship or centralization is a problem for contracts in the charity space, this app is a solution looking for a problem, in my opinion.
It is unclear how blockchain smart contracts contribute any value to the users in this case.
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#109I tried using it. It works like a charm. May be I felt good because I have been following the Ethereum ecosystem. I am fine if someone would have felt otherwise.