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Introducing Token

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Re: Introducing Token

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Post by zimzim »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #4

I would find your pitch much more interesting if you didn't go from "look at this very cool technology" to "look how we're changing the world for the better for these poor people in Africa". Be realistic. How many Sub-Saharan Africans are using Token or working on it right now? You're first-world devs working on first-world tech and wrapping it up in humanitarian terms because it makes you more attractive. It's kind…

I can see your point, but, when it comes to the "Internet" it is Ok IMO. It is global already, people everywhere "consuming it". Facebook are "helping the poor people of Africa" now as well as the author hopes to.

Re: Introducing Token

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Post by [deleted] »

pre wrote: post #82
intrasight wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is unfortunate, IMHO, that "browser" as come to mean "web browser". What are we supposed to call user interfaces that browser other information representations?

Has it though? Does nobody else use a file-browser any more? I'm mostly command-line but even I use a file-browser fairly often.

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Re: Introducing Token

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Post by nostrademons »

pre wrote: post #82
intrasight wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is unfortunate, IMHO, that "browser" as come to mean "web browser". What are we supposed to call user interfaces that browser other information representations?

Has it though? Does nobody else use a file-browser any more? I'm mostly command-line but even I use a file-browser fairly often.

Most people I know never called that a file-browser in the first place. It was just "my files", as if the files were things in their own right that just appeared on screen. OS vendors have played into that, with icon labels that say "My Documents" or "All my files". It's to their advantage to not let anyone know that there's a separate program that sits on top of the filesystem to show the contents of the filesystem. Most people don't care how things work as long as they work.

For that matter, I know a number of folks who don't know what a web browser is either. It's just "The Internet", thanks to Microsoft's marketing, or "the Googles", thanks to Google's. When I used to read Google user feedback, it was amazing how many people thought that anything that happened online or offline due to a Google Search was Google's fault - we'd get feedback like "The plumber came 2 hours late...I want my money back!"

Re: Introducing Token

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Post by paulddraper »

omginternets wrote: post #74
pimlottc wrote: post #35

I'm not sure "Browser" is a good term for this; I get that they are trying to convey that it's just a client for the existing independent Etherium network, but to 99% of people, "browser" == "web browser". It's just going to cause confusion, especially in non-technical users (which seems to be a user base they are trying to go for here). Even as a developer, when I saw "tokenbrowser.com", I was expecting to see a web…

Hmm, I'm going swim against the current and say I like the fact that it's called a browser. I like this because it is a browser, albeit not a web browser. I think this is exactly what's missing from blockchain-derived technologies: a simple human interface to remote resources. More to the point, calling this thing a browser anchors it firmly into a well-known context. This should be useful for explaining it to our pa…

Agreed.

I'm looking at the Apache LDAP browser right now. Not a spec of HTML anywhere.

Re: Introducing Token

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Post by beaconstudios »

DennisP wrote: post #32
beaconstudios wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your sentiment with regard to the huge number of altcoins that have emerged since bitcoin's arrival, but I still believe there is a core value to cryptocurrencies. However, I disagree with the common statement that that benefit is related to anonymity or privacy. I think the core benefit of cryptocurrencies is in their immutable ownership and exchange - if I buy something with PayPal on eBay I might get…

Ethereum has a 14-second block time and plans to shorten it to about four seconds with proof-of-stake. Offline transactions are pretty simple to implement: http://www.blunderingcode.com/a-lightning-network-in-two-pag... There are various stablecoin projects too, either backed by someone's offchain assets or using derivative contracts. Personally I think stability will come naturally to the native currency as it gets…

I think bitcoin itself is prone to constant deflation due to the 21-million coin cap and an expanding market.

Derivative contracts sounds like an interesting approach to this problem - could you point me to a paper or post on that? I'll definitely have to look into ethereum more deeply - it sounds like it might have the key features I believe are necessary.

Re: Introducing Token

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Post by splintercell »

menacingly wrote: post #31
aaron-lebo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Ether not in short supply around there? Serious question - is it easier or more likely to fix government issues which cause that lack of cash, or is it easier to fix those issues in order to get the technical infrastructure necessary to transplant technology not even widely used in the US? The notion that a poor villager would be reliant on the Ethereum network for anything is slightly terrifying. Where do they go…

Not sure why this is downvoted, looks like a decent question asked in good faith

It's because he wrote this:

> or the people running the network decide upon a hard fork?

which screams malice aforethought to people. The idea is that Ethereum had a hard fork which has divided people across two sides. To average people, you can get them to take any side depending upon how you compose the questions. You ask a non-techie:

1. What would you think if a company like Venmo decides to revert donations you received to pay for your daughter's cancer cure?

2. What would you think if the network of services you were using had a major theft, and the network took measures to thwart that theft by denying the thief access to the funds?

Please don't argue on which of the questions is more dishonest. The point here is, if you ask the first question, majority of the people will agree with the anti-hard fork side, and if you ask the second question then majority of the people will side with the pro-hard fork side.

Grandparent comment, writing what he wrote in passing is like reading a 'seemingly' unbiased article about US election, with a passing line about "but would people be ok with having a president who deleted confidential emails, only time will tell".

This is essentially what the GP comment did.

Re: Introducing Token

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Post by skybrian »

kordless wrote: post #83
dubrocks wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a darknet market replacement.

I'm honestly curious about this thing I see occasionally on HackerNews. The observation of the thing are mostly negative comments, irrational in nature, which are presented by a significantly aged account with very low karma and posting history. Servicing the underbanked is an important goal. I know people working on solving underbanked issues and I know it is important to them and support them. In this case, your co…

What makes you so sure that cryptocurrency brings anything to the table that the underbanked would want? Particularly since M-Pesa is changing the world (in some countries) without it?

I agree it is worth exploring, but we need to treat this as an open question. Easy conversion to/from other currencies at stable rates may be more important to most users than the theoretical benefits of decentralization.

I think the most obvious use (hypothetically, not proven) is in countries that have seriously unstable currencies or controls on foreign exchange that the user is avoiding. "Darknet" doesn't seem like all that bad a way to refer to these use cases, so I'd say the gp is unsubtle and perhaps dismissive but not irrational.

Re: Introducing Token

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Post by m3ta »

STRML wrote: post #87

I like the idea, but this is very confusing to end-consumers: - Is this just a messaging app? A payments app? A web browser? - It's all of those things, except not a web browser, it's an "app browser" (why not app store, especially considering the whole point of these is that they are paid?) - The starting experience is anything but compelling: http://i.imgur.com/U69Gskl.png - Is this developed by Coinbase? If so, wh…

The more confusing thing is what will happen when the userbase finds out Ethereum "smart contracts" aren't good for anything except online gambling which certainly will not be allowed on the TokenBrowser app. Also, I shook my head when I saw your screenshot, that is certainly not a good first impression.

Re: Introducing Token

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Post by drcode »

Perignon wrote: post #88

I'll bite. Why do I need this?

You know how twitter killed off all those nice third-party twitter clients a while ago? With this tool, even the creators of the app can't stop people from creating alternate UIs for chat/payments/etc.

You know how AWS went down a while ago and github (and a zillion other sites) stopped working? With this tool, you could log into a repo manager (several are in the works) and there is no single point of failure that can take it offline.

You know how you wanted to send money from Taiwan to the US and the bank wire was declined despite repeated attempts and without any clear explanation and your money was trapped in a bank account in Taiwan? (might not have happened to you, but is happening to me at the moment) with this tool the exact rules for how a particular currency can move around is specified ahead of time in clear turing-complete computer code.

Re: Introducing Token

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Post by alvarosevilla95 »

m3ta wrote: post #98
STRML wrote: post #87

I like the idea, but this is very confusing to end-consumers: - Is this just a messaging app? A payments app? A web browser? - It's all of those things, except not a web browser, it's an "app browser" (why not app store, especially considering the whole point of these is that they are paid?) - The starting experience is anything but compelling: http://i.imgur.com/U69Gskl.png - Is this developed by Coinbase? If so, wh…

The more confusing thing is what will happen when the userbase finds out Ethereum "smart contracts" aren't good for anything except online gambling which certainly will not be allowed on the TokenBrowser app. Also, I shook my head when I saw your screenshot, that is certainly not a good first impression.

That's not true at all though. Smart Contracts are being used in a wide variety of great projects.

In my opinion what's really missing is a fiat currency token, that can be legally recognised as actual money for a lot of business to be able to go massive.

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