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Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by keymone »

git-pull wrote: post #17

I'll probably try it. But man, am I getting jaded about all this javascript framework stuff. Every 6 months stuff breaks, every 2 years there's a huge shift. The problem with javascript I've been facing is value. Time and effort doesn't always correlate to what I get in the other end. In fact, I can say when building, going single-page is a time sink. And it's almost always a mistake to go SPA first. Using a django o…

> sharing server side code with client side JS

ever looked into clojurescript?

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by jbergens »

onion2k wrote: post #72
otto_ortega wrote: post #57

VueJS is the only of these JavaScript UI Libraries/Frameworks I can stand... The only one whose syntax doesn't make my eyes bleed!... I can't wait for Alibaba's Weex to be officially released so Vue can be used for developing mobile apps too. Reusing components across platforms and the web is the only reason why I would like to jump into the JS wagon!

The only one whose syntax doesn't make my eyes bleed. To me that sounds like choosing a tool based on the experience it gives the developer rather than the experience it gives the user. That's entirely the wrong way to pick what to build an app with. User experience is far more important. (That's not a comment about Angular or Vue. They're both great, and you should use whichever is best for the web app you're writin…

I assume you can create almost any ui with any framework. Some combinations will be a bit easier.

I agree that "beautiful" is not a very precise or important metric but easy to read and update is important. That said I think React is really good.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by markatkinson »

tomelders wrote: post #59

I'll be that guy. I'm sure the Angular team are great people, and they're clearly talented devs... but stay away from Angular. It doesn't help with the problems you will actually face. Typed Javascript is a cargo cult. Angular just plain confusing for no apparent benefit. Dependency injection is bizarre. The distinction between modules, components, and directive is unnecessary. The Javascript community in general is…

Holy smokes, I can't believe how serendipitous this is. I am 5 minutes into a Pluralsight course on Angular 2.

I really like the idea of Typscript, but now... now I guess back to the drawing board on what to learn.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by scanr »

markatkinson wrote: post #103
tomelders wrote: post #59

I'll be that guy. I'm sure the Angular team are great people, and they're clearly talented devs... but stay away from Angular. It doesn't help with the problems you will actually face. Typed Javascript is a cargo cult. Angular just plain confusing for no apparent benefit. Dependency injection is bizarre. The distinction between modules, components, and directive is unnecessary. The Javascript community in general is…

Holy smokes, I can't believe how serendipitous this is. I am 5 minutes into a Pluralsight course on Angular 2. I really like the idea of Typscript, but now... now I guess back to the drawing board on what to learn.

Typescript works quite well with React, redux etc.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by yulaow »

tomelders wrote: post #59

I'll be that guy. I'm sure the Angular team are great people, and they're clearly talented devs... but stay away from Angular. It doesn't help with the problems you will actually face. Typed Javascript is a cargo cult. Angular just plain confusing for no apparent benefit. Dependency injection is bizarre. The distinction between modules, components, and directive is unnecessary. The Javascript community in general is…

Is ironic just yesterday I read almost the same thing but trashtalking pseudofunctional programming in js, declarative components, microframeworks and dependency hell over all-in solutions, etc etc...

The reality is you don't really have any idea of what future of web development is, as anyone has. The community is not oriented in any way... rather we are probably in the time of biggest uncertainty and most frequent change of ideas of the whole web dev history.

Honestly the only and best suggestion I can make is "ignore everyone who try to say * this is how you should do things, the rest is shit * ", for the big part of the time they are just trying to self-justify an over investment on their own solution (or worst, ego), telling themselves they for sure had understood everything and the others are just wrong or "not there yet". They don't even know that they don't know.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by pasta »

nkkollaw wrote: post #91
robwormald wrote: post #9

Angular core team here, we're pretty excited about this release. Main change, as noted, is the new View Engine. The design doc[0] is worth a read if you're interested in front-end at all. Happy to answer any questions! [0] https://docs.google.com/document/d/195L4WaDSoI_kkW094LlShH6g...

I have a question. Who thought it was a good idea to make Angular 2 incompatible with Angular 1? You had it, and you blew it. Most people aren't going to use any version of Angular, now, and have switched to React and Vue.

"Who thought it was a good idea to make Angular 2 incompatible with Angular 1?"

This is so much discussed that I am not going to answer that. Google it.

But according to the latest StackOverflow survey [1] Angular is still bigger than you think: AngularJS 44.3%, React 19.5%

[1] http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by superasn »

nkkollaw wrote: post #91
robwormald wrote: post #9

Angular core team here, we're pretty excited about this release. Main change, as noted, is the new View Engine. The design doc[0] is worth a read if you're interested in front-end at all. Happy to answer any questions! [0] https://docs.google.com/document/d/195L4WaDSoI_kkW094LlShH6g...

I have a question. Who thought it was a good idea to make Angular 2 incompatible with Angular 1? You had it, and you blew it. Most people aren't going to use any version of Angular, now, and have switched to React and Vue.

Good to read this comment because I definitely feel this way too. Angular 2 just made things weird and confusing for everyone, experts and newbies.

Even though there are some things common but the differences are just too many. It would have been better if it was just release under a different banner altogether.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by throwaywgsid »

tomelders wrote: post #59

I'll be that guy. I'm sure the Angular team are great people, and they're clearly talented devs... but stay away from Angular. It doesn't help with the problems you will actually face. Typed Javascript is a cargo cult. Angular just plain confusing for no apparent benefit. Dependency injection is bizarre. The distinction between modules, components, and directive is unnecessary. The Javascript community in general is…

Angular is a mess but typescript is alive and kicking on its own, even with react.

Personally I'm one of the apparently rare breeds that hate angular but loves typescript. I wish there were more of us.

They're really in different realms and please don't make them part of the same whole. Typescript is a transpiler but the transforms it does are designed to mimic accepted JavaScript idioms.

When I'm debugging typescript it makes sense, it looks almost like JavaScript written by somebody that knows what they're doing.

Contrast that to Babel, Closure compiler, and countless others that produce "JavaScript" that reads more like assembler.

Typescript is easy to make back into human readable JS and it's equally easy to slowly transform your JavaScript into typescript.

It's the most forward and backward compatible language transformer I've ran across so I don't appreciate you shitting on it :)

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by basdp »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #87
kitsune_ wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't want to sound like an ass, but if you were at the stage of 'learning AJAX' a couple of months ago you are probably not in a position to judge the merits of JS frameworks like React, Vue or Angular.

Despite being new to AJAX, I wrote a Vue app within a week, 4-5 weeks into reading Angular, I was still reading the docs. Edit: removed a brash statement.

It says nothing more than Angular has a lot more documentation. Perhaps because Angular has a lot more features.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by jholman »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #87
kitsune_ wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't want to sound like an ass, but if you were at the stage of 'learning AJAX' a couple of months ago you are probably not in a position to judge the merits of JS frameworks like React, Vue or Angular.

Despite being new to AJAX, I wrote a Vue app within a week, 4-5 weeks into reading Angular, I was still reading the docs. Edit: removed a brash statement.

Meh, it says something, but not a lot.

Some tools are harder than others, sometimes because they accomplish more.

Imagine if you'd said "one day into learning about homeopathy, I was able to prescribe homeopathy-things, but after 4-5 weeks of med school I was still taking classes about blood cells."

I'm not actually defending Angular as such, because I am super ignorant about it. Perhaps Angular is a byzantine mess. But there are many great tools which do not have smooth onboarding procedures, which are still valuable because of how they work on complicated projects.

Of course, the BEST tools make easy things easy and hard things possible. Angular might (or might not) make hard things possible, but I think everyone agrees it's not particularly good at making easy things easy.

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