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Re: Cloud Hosting Showdown: DO vs. Linode vs. Vultr vs. OVH vs. Scaleway

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Post by simplehuman »

developer2 wrote: post #79
simplehuman wrote: post #23

I love DO but they deleted all my backups and servers because of a billing problem with just 15 day notice. Ever since I make sure to do backups outside DO.

"Just" 15 day notice? Really? 15 days is quite generous for a delinquent who is getting free service because they can't manage to pay a bill on time.

I was a paying customer for 2 years. I was gone on a vacation where my cc was stolen and I canceled the card. When I came back, my server and backups are gone. I understand if I was a new customer but I was using the service for 2 years. Fine, kill the server but why delete the backups for which I pay 5 USD a month extra?

Re: Cloud Hosting Showdown: DO vs. Linode vs. Vultr vs. OVH vs. Scaleway

#102

Post by kuschku »

peterwwillis wrote: post #100
kuschku wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if they were more reliable systems than they are now, the bigger they are the more they attract attacks on their core. Only the giants like Amazon and Google, or more professional (read: expensive) providers have the resources to deal with it. You do realize that OVH weathered DDoSes largee than 1100Gbps in the past, without issues? And that, like Scaleway, it belongs to a large french ISP with a nationwide ne…

I'm not familiar with those at all, I can only speak to the two I spoke of. But it's a bit strange for an ISP to develop its own hardware, and ddos prevention has nothing to do with system management or cloud hosting feature sets. Furthermore, those two are the least mature, slowest, tiniest, and most limited providers in the shootout on every metric except perhaps network performance in France.

> But it's a bit strange for an ISP to develop its own hardware

For an ISP that, 5 years ago, was the largest hosting provider on the planet, and is still an ISP in several countries with their own backbones, custom hardware is not unusual.

You don't complain when Google or AWS develop custom hardware, or when Level3 develops custom hardware.

Why would OVH be different?

> and ddos prevention has nothing to do with system management or cloud hosting feature sets.

No, but it's something you complained about, although OVH managed to successfully handle the second-largest DDoS known to date without downtime.

It's very obvious you're not familiar with them at all.

Re: Cloud Hosting Showdown: DO vs. Linode vs. Vultr vs. OVH vs. Scaleway

#103

Post by braveo »

Hexcles wrote: post #67
tedivm wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sent them a message saying exactly that- I've moved all my machines to linode because the price for the speed (both memory and cpu) is much better. They responded back saying that they are competing on platform, not price.

> competing on platform, not price I believe it'd be more appropriate for Linode to say that, which has long had good reputation in terms of the variety of regions, the quality of network, etc., and which used to be on the more expensive end. DO, on the other hand, actually debuted with the low prices, if anyone remembers.

I would jump away from Linode in a heartbeat if I found something comparable.

The article mentioned dataloss with Linode... I experienced the same problem. Well, technically the data was there, but there was a corruption problem and the disk was being mounted read-only. Their default settings for ext4 in their arch linux offerings was not 'data=journaled', and it should have been.

Well... I say it should have been, but I found out why it wasn't their default when I went to rebuild that VPS. Apparently something in their infrastructure doesn't work well with ext4 journaling because everytime I tried to set it to journaled (so I could avoid a repeat of the corrupted disk issue...) it would reboot lmounted as readonly and there was no way to fix the issue except to rebuild.

When I contacted them about it, they told me it was a "known issue" that would be fixed in the next 3-6 months.

That was the SECOND issue I found with them, the first is that doing a 'pacman -Syu' on a completely fresh install would hose the install... again, something to do with their infrastructure not working well with arch linux.

It took me days of fidding around and learning what I could, and could not do, before I was able to successfully rebuild that VPS.

I would absolutely love to find another VPS provider that offered arch linux with comparable performance.

Re: Cloud Hosting Showdown: DO vs. Linode vs. Vultr vs. OVH vs. Scaleway

#104

Post by neurostimulant »

A while ago when I was trying to sign up for an OVH account to test their VPS offering, they asked for government id/passport and proof of address in order to activate the account.

I'm ok with uploading those documents when signing up for an account on financial-related online services (btc exchanges, online debit card, etc), but I would never comply with that just for testing some cheap VPS. Why would they need those info when other vendors don't is beyond me.

Re: Cloud Hosting Showdown: DO vs. Linode vs. Vultr vs. OVH vs. Scaleway

#105

Post by mdekkers »

nodesocket wrote: post #50

The article is very detailed and does a great job, but they don't mention DigitalOcean load balances. Load balancers are a must have infrastructure puzzle piece these days. DO did a fantastic job on their lb offering and for $20 a month they are quite powerful (http and tcp) with configurable health checks and failover.

I have 2x $10 instances with HAProxy that run circles around anything any provider gives you.

Re: Cloud Hosting Showdown: DO vs. Linode vs. Vultr vs. OVH vs. Scaleway

#106

Post by mdekkers »

peterwwillis wrote: post #10

What's the target market for this "showdown" ? Hopefully not an online business, as all of these providers are the cloud hosting equivalent of shared servers from the early 00's. I've used DO and Linode and both have serious reliability problems that you have to engineer around yourself, and I can't imagine the other providers are any more robust. Linode was too pricy for what they provided back when I tried them, to…

serious reliability problems that you have to engineer around yourself

Sounds like AWS - they explicitly state that you can't count on their stuff and you need to engineer your stack that way.

Re: Cloud Hosting Showdown: DO vs. Linode vs. Vultr vs. OVH vs. Scaleway

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Post by misframer »

laumars wrote: post #92
matunixe wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their business plan was using the revolutionary ARM CPUs to make cheap offers with real hardware. That was clear, that's what they sold us in the beginning. Know they are stuck with it because of their lack of knowledge: the C1 server doesn't even support IPV6! Stop kidding about "snapshots". They don't offer snapshots at all. Period. You should shutdown your server through the fucking dashboard before you can click…

I've not used Scaleway but for what it's worth Digital Ocean's snapshot feature only works offline too (and takes forever to run). I'd also made the same complaints as yourself that an offline "snapshot" isn't really what I would class as a "snapshot". A "clone" would be a more apt description. Anyhow, semantics aside, I seriously wouldn't recommend DO for any serious work. It's fine if you freelance in Wordpress or…

You can take snapshots of DO droplets online.

Re: Cloud Hosting Showdown: DO vs. Linode vs. Vultr vs. OVH vs. Scaleway

#108

Post by garaetjjte »

matunixe wrote: post #89
cknight wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By "changed everything to sell x64 VPS" I guess you mean "Added VPS offerings alongside their bare metal ARM servers"? I have snapshots of my Scaleway servers sitting there right now. I've also never experienced any downtime (6 months and counting). I'm not saying anecdotes are completely without merit, but they don't pair well with rhetoric.

Their business plan was using the revolutionary ARM CPUs to make cheap offers with real hardware. That was clear, that's what they sold us in the beginning. Know they are stuck with it because of their lack of knowledge: the C1 server doesn't even support IPV6! Stop kidding about "snapshots". They don't offer snapshots at all. Period. You should shutdown your server through the fucking dashboard before you can click…

Their VPSs also doesn't support ipv6.

Re: Cloud Hosting Showdown: DO vs. Linode vs. Vultr vs. OVH vs. Scaleway

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Post by cknight »

garaetjjte wrote: post #108
matunixe wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their business plan was using the revolutionary ARM CPUs to make cheap offers with real hardware. That was clear, that's what they sold us in the beginning. Know they are stuck with it because of their lack of knowledge: the C1 server doesn't even support IPV6! Stop kidding about "snapshots". They don't offer snapshots at all. Period. You should shutdown your server through the fucking dashboard before you can click…

Their VPSs also doesn't support ipv6.

They do, it's just not very good. Each VPS gets one IPv6 address (instead of a /64 block as you might expect), and the address is also not tied to the server if you ever power it down and then up again.

Re: Cloud Hosting Showdown: DO vs. Linode vs. Vultr vs. OVH vs. Scaleway

#110

Post by fapjacks »

mrmondo wrote: post #80
fapjacks wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I've been a consumer of Ramnode for years and have had nothing but good to say.

Not just their performance and uptime but how good is their support right? (if you've even had to use it)

I've been using them for a number of years and had some administrative things which they handled phenomenally quickly. Just a great job.
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