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Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#101
post #40

No, I'm really happy with the service that they provide. If there's something that's actually private, I'm not going to be posting it on the Internet in the first place.

Are you ready to share your online behavior with everyone, including all the sites you visit and videos you watch? Are you ready to have your picture used in ads your friends see? Because that's where this is going.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#102
post #7

I've stopped using mine, removed all apps, unfollowed (er, unliked?) all pages. I'd guess the market is ripe for a fb-type site that, for lack of a better phrase, isn't evil. And doesn't have a horrible ux.

What features should it have? (Or not have?)

They shouldn't be so successful. They made the same mistake as Goldman. In this case, small, problematic privacy features (people being able to tag you without your permission, etc.) that weren't exhausted + ambitious new platforms and exponential success suddenly caused them to reach a critical mass where people think twice about their service.

It's all about the integrity of the core feature set, and avoiding future, short-term successes that erode into it. Ironically, one only really notices the erosions (which, as with Apple and Goldman, are really not unique within their industry) after a certain amount of success.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#103
post #99
post #60

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Another interesting question would be: how will it make money? Websites like Facebook and Myspace are shunning the simple advertisement model. Selling private data will become the new standard. A website similar to scope and feature like Facebook will probably not be able to sustain a positive cash flow or break even without selling people's data. UNLESS...they cut features like photo storage, or make a technological…

Can you provide an example of facebook "selling private data"? I work there, and it would be a great surprise to me if you could.

Sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook#Beacon

The prime example that resulted in a lawsuit settlement. I mean really? Opt-in to reveal your purchasing and browsing habits with selected companies and then spam your friends?

http://gawker.com/5426176/facebooks-great-betrayal

Another opt-in that is equivalent to Facebook buying web coverage at the expense of user privacy.

http://gigaom.com/2010/04/22/facebooks-instant-personalizati...

These websites are able to scrape your data to provide you a "personal" experience. Another opt-in. I'm not sure if FB is selling this api, but I'm willing to bet its a certainty.

These might not literally be bundling up personal information and selling it outright, but given the track record here, I wouldn't be surprised if they did another "opt-in".

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#104
Facebook has certainly gone from being pretty straightforward about privacy to deceptive about it, but the real people who need to worry aren't tech savvy HN denizens, but parents of those types and kids who don't have the first clue or don't know what to check, etc. That said, there are some fairly easy ways to ensure that you're not "exploited" digitally using Facebook. You can't scrub it entirely of your presence, but you can at least ensure that people can't access anything about you publicly without being a friend of yours.

That's fairly reasonable. Now the stuff like making wall posts show up on news feeds and such are somewhere between annoying and intrusive, but that's where we can just choose to ignore it, pair down the number of friends we maintain or other tactics.

For better or worse, the site works.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#105
post #58

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I agree with you generally, but the most damning information about me that's on Facebook was posted by other people.

I had a fraternity brother in college who was gay. At some point in time, he realized that he was gay, but didn't want to come out. An incriminating picture was posted on facebook and he was forced to reveal his sexual orientation to all of us (well we kinda suspected anyway) before he was ready in a pretty awkward way. He had to do the same not that long after with his family and it didn't go well at all. All becaus…

> I put the blame mainly on the person who put up the picture, but still, he should have had control over this kind of thing.

Facebook isn't special; it's just a subset of the Internet. If the people at your college had had, say, a mailing list instead, and someone had sent that picture to it (thereby putting a separate, cacheable copy in every person's inbox), would you reason similarly that "he should have had control over this kind of thing"? Just because it's one website, not millions, doesn't mean that anything put onto it won't be leaked back out by bullies, trolls, rumor-mongers or busybodies. There's no such thing as privacy in a network where even a single person is less than 100% trustworthy, no matter the medium.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#106
post #91

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well sometimes its your friends.. that will put pictures up of you without knowing, or will tag you in and can't remove it yourself

Not having a Facebook account will not prevent people from posting pictures of you on their own, and even including your name in the picture description (thereby "tagging" you in every way except the notification.)

Not having Facebook will not prevent people from posting pictures of you on the web. The horse is pretty far out of the barn on that one.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#107
post #70
post #58

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I agree with you generally, but the most damning information about me that's on Facebook was posted by other people.

And me leaving Facebook solves that problem how? At least now I see when that kind of stuff happens.

It's a good point - leaving Facebook won't solve things like drunken pictures posted by your friends. It will, however, stop things like "Yooooo, did you hit that last night? Wasssuppp!" on your Wall that your family, colleagues and potential employers can see.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#108
This is about as interesting as the old "Microsoft sucks" circle jerks that would occur on Slashdot. I deleted my FB account six months ago and it wasn't a big deal. There are plenty of people who will continue to use FB and not care about most of these implications.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#109
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you generally, but the most damning information about me that's on Facebook was posted by other people.

I had a fraternity brother in college who was gay. At some point in time, he realized that he was gay, but didn't want to come out. An incriminating picture was posted on facebook and he was forced to reveal his sexual orientation to all of us (well we kinda suspected anyway) before he was ready in a pretty awkward way. He had to do the same not that long after with his family and it didn't go well at all. All becaus…

The problem is that nothing he could have done could have stopped the picture being posted Even if he had no account it wouldn't have stopped people he knows posting and seeing pictures of him.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#110
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And me leaving Facebook solves that problem how? At least now I see when that kind of stuff happens.

It's a good point - leaving Facebook won't solve things like drunken pictures posted by your friends. It will, however, stop things like "Yooooo, did you hit that last night? Wasssuppp!" on your Wall that your family, colleagues and potential employers can see.

You can choose to make your wall read only.
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