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Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

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Post by derefr »

minalecs wrote: post #88
jamesjyu wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hear hear to that! I'm always puzzled by all these privacy nuts that go on and on about privacy problems with social media sites like Facebook. If something is absolutely private and you do not want to share it outside of one or two people, DO NOT put it on a social media site! Period. In fact, I would go as far as to say never put any critically sensitive information on the web.

well sometimes its your friends.. that will put pictures up of you without knowing, or will tag you in and can't remove it yourself

Not having a Facebook account will not prevent people from posting pictures of you on their own, and even including your name in the picture description (thereby "tagging" you in every way except the notification.)

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#92

Post by natrius »

theli0nheart wrote: post #86
maxwin wrote: post #20

We need a decentralized social graph. I should host and own my data not facebook or any other organization. Maybe browsers should innovate and solve this problem.

I actually architected something for this on the last airplane ride I was on. Here's the gist. First of all, there is a basic protocol that any social application can adopt to. It basically consists of a few URIs like /user/login/, /user/register/, etc. Secondly, since "virality" is key in getting something like this implemented, I propose that there is a form of global identity database that is accessible by anyone.…

You've mentioned several restrictions without any enforcement mechanism.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#93

Post by joshhart »

araneae wrote: post #58
cmelbye wrote: post #40

No, I'm really happy with the service that they provide. If there's something that's actually private, I'm not going to be posting it on the Internet in the first place.

I agree with you generally, but the most damning information about me that's on Facebook was posted by other people.

I had a fraternity brother in college who was gay. At some point in time, he realized that he was gay, but didn't want to come out.

An incriminating picture was posted on facebook and he was forced to reveal his sexual orientation to all of us (well we kinda suspected anyway) before he was ready in a pretty awkward way. He had to do the same not that long after with his family and it didn't go well at all.

All because someone posted a picture on facebook that was up for less than 30 minutes. I put the blame mainly on the person who put up the picture, but still, he should have had control over this kind of thing.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#94

Post by lleger »

cmelbye wrote: post #40

No, I'm really happy with the service that they provide. If there's something that's actually private, I'm not going to be posting it on the Internet in the first place.

Dear god, a post about Facebook's privacy change that's logical, non-extremist and generally makes sense. Thank you.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#95

Post by kmavm »

minalecs wrote: post #88
jamesjyu wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hear hear to that! I'm always puzzled by all these privacy nuts that go on and on about privacy problems with social media sites like Facebook. If something is absolutely private and you do not want to share it outside of one or two people, DO NOT put it on a social media site! Period. In fact, I would go as far as to say never put any critically sensitive information on the web.

well sometimes its your friends.. that will put pictures up of you without knowing, or will tag you in and can't remove it yourself

"well sometimes its your friends.. that will put pictures up of you without knowing, or will tag you in and can't remove it yourself"

As many have pointed out, this happens already in blogs and email, on twitter, in various forums, etc., and not joining facebook will do nothing to prevent it from happening on facebook.

But more importantly, if you don't want your friends doing X or Y to you on facebook, you have a very powerful method of ensuring that at your disposal: make it clear that you find this unacceptable when it happens. Over time, people get the message before making the mistake, and these expectations harden into social norms. Ultimately, relying on these social norms is much more robust than relying on technological solutions, in my opinion.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#96

Post by zmmmmm »

steveklabnik wrote: post #2

Nope. I'm not. Yes, privacy is important. However, the only information that I've ever put on Facebook is information that I'd want everyone else to know. That's why I have a Facebook; to give people who don't know me an idea of who I am and what I'm like, and get a little bit of personal branding out there. For instance, there's at least one little portion of my life that I don't want to be broadcast out to everyone…

> However, the only information that I've ever put on Facebook is information that I'd want everyone else to know

Congratulations, you already demonstrated your agreement with the author and effectively stopped using Facebook then.

The whole point of Facebook is to enable a you to form a private community of friends that share things. If you've degraded that to "only what I will share with everyone in the universe" then you've essentially withdrawn from Facebook already.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#97

Post by zmmmmm »

lleger wrote: post #94
cmelbye wrote: post #40

No, I'm really happy with the service that they provide. If there's something that's actually private, I'm not going to be posting it on the Internet in the first place.

Dear god, a post about Facebook's privacy change that's logical, non-extremist and generally makes sense. Thank you.

It sounds pretty extremist to me. This person is apparently so paranoid they will not use any form of hosted service, email, etc, or if they do, they only put things in there that they trust the entire universe to see. I would say that puts them in a tiny minority of people - ie. quite extreme.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#98

Post by zmmmmm »

jamesjyu wrote: post #57
cmelbye wrote: post #40

No, I'm really happy with the service that they provide. If there's something that's actually private, I'm not going to be posting it on the Internet in the first place.

Hear hear to that! I'm always puzzled by all these privacy nuts that go on and on about privacy problems with social media sites like Facebook. If something is absolutely private and you do not want to share it outside of one or two people, DO NOT put it on a social media site! Period. In fact, I would go as far as to say never put any critically sensitive information on the web.

So in your view, people should just have "one or two" friends on Facebook? How many people do you know who actually use Facebook like that? Do you really think that is the intended purpose of Facebook?

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#99

Post by kmavm »

codexon wrote: post #60
pg wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What features should it have? (Or not have?)

Another interesting question would be: how will it make money? Websites like Facebook and Myspace are shunning the simple advertisement model. Selling private data will become the new standard. A website similar to scope and feature like Facebook will probably not be able to sustain a positive cash flow or break even without selling people's data. UNLESS...they cut features like photo storage, or make a technological…

Can you provide an example of facebook "selling private data"? I work there, and it would be a great surprise to me if you could.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#100

Post by puredemo »

lallysingh wrote: post #78
ivenkys wrote: post #30

I never went in - i still don't understand the point of FB or others of their ilk. If i really want to keep in touch with far-flung family, friends - i pick up the phone or drop an email. If they are important to me i will make the effort. I also don't find the need to advertise on a daily/hourly basis what i am doing or tell people about the cool car/bike/tv/ipod etc. i bought. May be its just not for people like me…

You're stereotyping facebook users pretty bad. It's a great way to share photos. It's also an ad-hoc mailing list between you and your friends. Post what you want; it's literally up to you. I post photos and links to interesting stuff -- mostly nerdy but my friends aren't terribly surprised by that. That's it. Seriously, it's not calling you at home and asking what you're doing every hour. You make it what you want.…

Spot on. That's also why a lot of people who get annoyed by smalltalk gripe about Facebook.
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