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Re: The Need to Read

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I read more and more books now. My findings: 1) There is a very strong relationship between the length of time it takes to compose something and its 'value'. [0] That shouldn't be a surprise. Twitter is on one end of that spectrum, books are on the other. 2) The range of value is far wider than people can conceive of. I know this fact yet in my tiny human mind I can't conceive of the entire breadth of that spectrum,…

An excellent comment and thread (particularly your reply below). I can only add:

I've been reading books -- lots of books, some recent, many not. Most not what you'll find on the shelves of your local bookstore (if you're lucky enough to have one) or even at a reasonably well-stocked library, but books I've specifically sought out, often through references in other books.

Libraries have been useful, inter-library loan even more so. But most especially, it's been services, some not fully above-board, though others are, which provide direct access to material, often only of limited availability. In the case of The Internet Archive, these can include a great many public-domain works. For any materials published after the copyright blackout year of 1924 -- and a great deal of what I'm interested in falls betwen 1924 and 1958, which is to say, is material which under the copyright laws extant at the time would now be public domain -- Library Genesis and Sci-Hub are tremendously useful. The ability to carry around what amounts to a considerable library in my hand is also quite powerful (though the tools for organising, managing, accessing, and annotating such a library on Android are entirely insufficient).

But yes: read books. Real books. Good books. Get the fuck off the Web and away from the idiots. Myself included.

Yes, it's hard. Yes, I struggle with that all the time (and rather particularly over the past few weeks what with a Recent Very Bad Collective Decision).

A book, a book worth writing, a book well-considered, well-conceived, well-planned, well-researched, and well-written, is an absolute gem. This is not an obsolete data format by any means.

Re: The Need to Read

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What you say sounds intriguing. Do you have any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value mentioned in 3? Any pointers to high-value content since you mention there is much?

I have many ideas on this subject; I'm going to spend more time writing this than editing it, but I'll try to structure it so it's easier to skim ... I hope it's helpful and not too long! > any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value A few spring to mind: * Science: Compare IPCC reports with almost any discussion on climate change. If you take the time to read just the IPCC 'summary reports…

Great post - and very accurate, if a bit black on white on the difference between low/high value content. Why do you think it is that 'low' value content is so prevalent - and we fail to refer to refer to actually high value content?

Do you think a service like a distilled wikipedia would be value - which would aggregate indisputable facts about the world around us. Both the IPCC reports on climate change and the Koran are very high value sources of information, and even offer summarized versions and lessons... yet people still don't refer to them whatsoever. Personally, it makes everyday conversation very frustrating as people continually fail to ground their stances in any semblance of fact or reality - and don't even begin to make an effort to do so.

I also currently resort to 'doing my homework' for researching these issues, but it seems like there has to be an easier way in a landscape with wikipedia, thousands of fact checking services, and access to high quality information in the form of reports academia that fails to materialize in conversation, policy, and isn't even aggregated if you aren't determined or an expert.

Re: The Need to Read

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I have many ideas on this subject; I'm going to spend more time writing this than editing it, but I'll try to structure it so it's easier to skim ... I hope it's helpful and not too long! > any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value A few spring to mind: * Science: Compare IPCC reports with almost any discussion on climate change. If you take the time to read just the IPCC 'summary reports…

Great post - and very accurate, if a bit black on white on the difference between low/high value content. Why do you think it is that 'low' value content is so prevalent - and we fail to refer to refer to actually high value content? Do you think a service like a distilled wikipedia would be value - which would aggregate indisputable facts about the world around us. Both the IPCC reports on climate change and the Kor…

Thanks. I feel like I rambled on far too long, but I'm very glad if it's helpful to anyone.

> a bit black on white on the difference between low/high value content

Agreed. I was simplifying - it was long enough as is! And it is already so speculative (it's almost embarrassing - ironically low-value) that I would hesitate to try to add nuance.

> Why do you think it is that 'low' value content is so prevalent - and we fail to refer to refer to actually high value content?

My personal hypotheses:

1) Few people care enough about the world to even consider making an effort to be better informed

2) Of those who care, few even consider that low-value content is so unreliable and high-value content exists (as I said in #2 in my original post)

3) Of those who care and know what they are missing, few want to make an effort to find and read the high-value content. People are lazy (me too!)

4) The low-value content establishes the norms: People read it and believe it, and therefore anything that contradicts it - especially from a whole different perspective - seems wrong, ridiculous, and at best challenges their worldview - not something many people will accept. If everyone thinks the Sun orbits the Earth, the person telling the truth is ridiculed.

> Do you think a service like a distilled wikipedia would be value

Absolutely, but it takes time and skilled labor. I've often thought about how to get the high-value content into the public conversation.

But there are good online resources: Try Encyclopedia Britannica, for example. It's what you describe, though necessarily smaller than Wikipedia.

Re: The Need to Read

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What you say sounds intriguing. Do you have any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value mentioned in 3? Any pointers to high-value content since you mention there is much?

I have many ideas on this subject; I'm going to spend more time writing this than editing it, but I'll try to structure it so it's easier to skim ... I hope it's helpful and not too long! > any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value A few spring to mind: * Science: Compare IPCC reports with almost any discussion on climate change. If you take the time to read just the IPCC 'summary reports…

I agree.

One further thing I do with regards to Google Scholar: I add the term "(intitle:review OR intitle:summary)" and that offers only reviews , which are a good way to understand the key things about a field ,what's established and not , etc.

And if I'm interested in medical research , I go into pubmed , they have something called "clinical queries" which offers only reviews and the like, which is even more important in medicine, because of the statistical nature of knowledge there, and complexity of experimentation.

Btw, you gave good tips on how to find high quality knowledge, but probably there's more on that subject. Is there some source that teaches that ?

Re: The Need to Read

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"...if books were more useful..." ...[great pause]... I am not capable of replying in a way to meaningfully improve your outlook in life. Good luck to you sir. ...[close browser and go for walk]...

I get his point, though. At the moment I'm guiding my goddaughter through her first term at university, so I'm reading a lot, and I have to say that the average textbook can be condensed to 10% of its volume without any loss of information. It's a terrible waste of time, even if you are only scanning the texts. Please don't get me wrong: I love reading in general.

> the average textbook can be condensed to 10% of its volume without any loss of information

It's crazy isn't it? I wrote a math & physics textbook[1] that condenses nearly 2000+ pages of precalculus, mechanics, and calculus, in very few pages. I think I could make it even shorter, but I wanted to include lots of exercises/problems because those are important.

[1] https://minireference.com/ see extended preview here https://minireference.com/static/excerpts/noBSguide_v5_previ...

Re: The Need to Read

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I have many ideas on this subject; I'm going to spend more time writing this than editing it, but I'll try to structure it so it's easier to skim ... I hope it's helpful and not too long! > any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value A few spring to mind: * Science: Compare IPCC reports with almost any discussion on climate change. If you take the time to read just the IPCC 'summary reports…

What computer security books would you recommend? How did you discover them?

Of course it depends on your current level of knowledge and your goals.

I'd look at syllabi for IT security courses from leading schools as a start, or maybe ask a specialist reference librarian at a college or university (after researching the question on your own). There may be a widely accepted IT Security 101 textbook.

If you really want to be a professional computer security expert, you'll need to take courses from experts - the novice lacks the context to interpret the books, to understand them in context (e.g., 'this is one side of a long-running argument'), or to know what gaps they leave (e.g., 'there's a newer theory on this issue', 'this omits a whole field of knowledge', etc.) and to fill them. And you'll need real world experience, of course; learn from and make connections with the best people you can.

Re: The Need to Read

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have many ideas on this subject; I'm going to spend more time writing this than editing it, but I'll try to structure it so it's easier to skim ... I hope it's helpful and not too long! > any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value A few spring to mind: * Science: Compare IPCC reports with almost any discussion on climate change. If you take the time to read just the IPCC 'summary reports…

I agree. One further thing I do with regards to Google Scholar: I add the term "(intitle:review OR intitle:summary)" and that offers only reviews , which are a good way to understand the key things about a field ,what's established and not , etc. And if I'm interested in medical research , I go into pubmed , they have something called "clinical queries" which offers only reviews and the like, which is even more impor…

> Is there some source that teaches that ?

I wonder if a research library offers a course on efficient research using modern tools.

Re: The Need to Read

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What computer security books would you recommend? How did you discover them?

Of course it depends on your current level of knowledge and your goals. I'd look at syllabi for IT security courses from leading schools as a start, or maybe ask a specialist reference librarian at a college or university (after researching the question on your own). There may be a widely accepted IT Security 101 textbook. If you really want to be a professional computer security expert, you'll need to take courses f…

Thanks! I'm actually an old-time geek and IETF person, and do some work on security, but would like to get some better grounding. I sometimes find that other security people in the IETF have what appear to me to be naive views on things like usability, and seem to be making the wrong tradeoffs because of that, but they are "better educated" than I am, so figuring out how to become more educated myself is a priority.
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