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Re: The Need to Read

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I read more and more books now. My findings: 1) There is a very strong relationship between the length of time it takes to compose something and its 'value'. [0] That shouldn't be a surprise. Twitter is on one end of that spectrum, books are on the other. 2) The range of value is far wider than people can conceive of. I know this fact yet in my tiny human mind I can't conceive of the entire breadth of that spectrum,…

What you say sounds intriguing. Do you have any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value mentioned in 3? Any pointers to high-value content since you mention there is much?

I have many ideas on this subject; I'm going to spend more time writing this than editing it, but I'll try to structure it so it's easier to skim ... I hope it's helpful and not too long!

> any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value

A few spring to mind:

* Science: Compare IPCC reports with almost any discussion on climate change. If you take the time to read just the IPCC 'summary reports for policy makers', you quickly learn that almost all popular discussion of it is nonsense - the wrong questions based on wrong information, like discussing the quality of ice fishing in the Sahara - a waste of your time and worse, misinformation. A related example: Publications such as Nature and Science are so different than popular coverage of science, it's as if they are covering a different field of human knowledge.

* International relations (i.e., foreign policy, etc.): I've taken the time to find the expert publications and, as in other fields, you quickly realize that they are a goldmine of knowledge and almost everything else - even 'experts' writing editorials in the NYT or WSJ - is ignorant and/or deceitful. The non-partisan think tanks are very good: Brookings, Carnegie Endowment, CSIS, the Lowy Institute in Australia is great and a different perspective ... I have a much longer list if you re interested, and I next mean to look into the leading academic publications.

* Think of a field you have deep expertise in; do outsiders really have a clue? For example, IT security: Even IT pros on HN have large blind spots and most of the public is clueless. The language spoken by IT security experts, the questions asked, the solutions, are very different than what everyone else says. You need to read the right books, not just any book, to gain real knowledge.

* Next time you need to research something, look at the usual sources via Google web search, then look at scholarly publications (e.g., via Google Scholar). IME, often the former seems valuable and persuasive until I read the latter, and then the popular stuff seems frighteningly misinformed.

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> Any pointers to high-value content since you mention there is much?

Of course it depends on the field you are interested in; there is far more to read in any field than you have time for, unless you want a masters degree in it. There are more great works of literature than we have time to read; why read anything less? (There are reasons, but you get my point.) Examples:

* In the last few years I decided to read Confucius' Analects, an obvious example of a high-value book - why read about it and about Chinese culture when I can just read the Master himself? - but which translation? Great writers are subtle and likely have a breadth and depth of ideas far beyond their translator's grasp (unless their translator also is a genius and expert in the same field). Amazon reviewers seemed persuasive and helpful - until I turned to journal articles by experts in the field. Then I learned once and for all that Amazon reviewers often sound good but have no clue; the Amazon reviews turned out to almost all useless or worse - I almost believed them.

* I'm reading The Inferno by Dante now (translated by John Sinclair, as recommended by a professor in the field). It's one of the most beautiful, moving, exceptional works of art I've ever encountered. It's a loss to the world that anyone doesn't get to see what I see.

* I recently bought the Koran (after researching translations). A billion people are talking about Islam; hardly any have a clue about what they are saying - they just repeat low-value information. Rather than spending hours reading all that, I'll spend it on one high value book and know far, far more. And I'll also need to find a high-value book, maybe sociology, on how Islam actually is understood and practiced today.

(Certainly not all high-value works are 'classic' books like the Analects, Inferno, or Koran, though consider that there are thousands of years of writing by smart people to mine; if you picked the best of each century you'd have a lot of reading to do.)

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A few tips based on my experience (low-value info, but I've never seen anything good on the subject!):

* Much of the high value stuff can be intimidating, has bad associations (from when you were forced to read it in school before you were ready) or has a status that overwhelms the ability to see it for the flawed, human genius that it is. Get by those issues, form your own opinion with fresh eyes, and you usually discover that, hey, this is flawed but is indeed absolutely brilliant and wonderful. Much is a great pleasure to read (see Dante, above) - extremely talented people tend to master writing well too, and there is a reason so many love it. Some is indeed dry and much of it is challenging - but I've become more accustomed to that and find low-value stuff often lacks the richness, depth and brilliance I've come to expect.

* Follow your nose; be opportunistic; keep asking questions about the world: When I'm asking the questions that the book also asks or addresses, that's a good time to start reading it. Also, my instincts about what I'm interested in also are a good guide to what I'm ready for; or if a work angers me then usually that's because it's challenging me and I really need to read it. If I don't grasp some art-form or artist, I keep my eyes open for when it suddenly resonates and then read/watch/etc. I get much less out of randomly chosen books, no matter how brilliant.

* Unless you are superhuman, low-value stuff can be very persuasive without high-value stuff to compare it to (see my Confucius example, above). Humans just have very limited ability to see through nonsense. If you've never been to Fiji, how could you tell if someone is giving you good or bad information about it?

* Try not to settle for less than the best: Knowledge based on research and above all, expertise; art from the true geniuses. Unless you are diving deep, the settled knowledge of a field is the best starting place - imperfect like all human knowledge, but far better than the alternatives. Amateurs, even smart, studied ones, have gaping blind spots. The high-value experts aren't gods, but when I approach them with healthy skepticism I find I appreciate them even more: They often turn out to be real people who achieved true genius and who created amazing works of art and knowledge.

* Most people have developed the skills and resources to quickly find and evaluate low-value information, such as using Google web search and knowing Quora from Reddit from StackExchange. You'll need to develop the skills and resources for high-value stuff (see below) but once you do using them becomes far more efficient.

* The best resources on general topics that I've found (I'm still a bit of a novice myself): Google Scholar, JSTOR (if you can get access; it usually requires privileges at a university library), and most valuable in their way, reference specialists at university (not public) libraries (for example, there may be a Russian history reference specialist): They can immediately tell you which book or paper is the leader in its field, its strengths and weaknesses, etc., and can distinguish between books that are fringe ideas, experts' advocacy of their pet hypotheses, and settled knowledge. Most will help the public but you need to respect their time: Do your homework, carefully prepare your question, be patient, and don't expect many followups.

Re: The Need to Read

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I don't read entire non-fiction books anymore but just search for it's summaries or notes. Most non-fiction books revolve around a few central ideas. Once you internalize this you realize it isn't necessary to read the entire book. You just need to read the summary and notes that someone else has written. For eg : I'm currently going through the book notes that Derek Sivers has written and just posted this last night…

i assume all the time you save reading summaries and notes allows for more introspection on the more serious, though-provoking, and fleshed out non-fiction books you read, regardless of their length (article, essay, essay collection, what have you).

Re: The Need to Read

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I don't read entire non-fiction books anymore but just search for it's summaries or notes. Most non-fiction books revolve around a few central ideas. Once you internalize this you realize it isn't necessary to read the entire book. You just need to read the summary and notes that someone else has written. For eg : I'm currently going through the book notes that Derek Sivers has written and just posted this last night…

+1 to the wonderful resource of the public libraries.

I find that I retain more if I actually read the book then write my own summary in a journal somewhere. I learned that habit from a friend and once in a while I'd go back over the notes.

Re: The Need to Read

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I think a lot of people end up not reading because of a certain misconception about human knowledge acquisition. I often hear this complaint that reading seems pointless because they'll have forgotten most of what's in the book in a year, or whatever.

But this is just an indexing issue: when you read a book, you acquire more from it than some list of facts you can intentionally recall afterward—that's just one way of indexing knowledge, and not a particularly useful one.

As an example, let's say you've read a book on compilers. Is it more useful for your brain to organize the information from the book so that when you think of certain aspects of compilers, the information is recalled; or is it better to have the information recalled when thinking of the book that it came from? Recalling the info. in connection with the book itself typically offers much less value than recalling it in connection with the book's subject matter.

You don't know about most of the knowledge you have, though it is still active in the sense that it participates in interpreting your experience and determining action. Additionally, reading (without intentional memorization) will add to this knowledge.

Re: The Need to Read

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you say sounds intriguing. Do you have any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value mentioned in 3? Any pointers to high-value content since you mention there is much?

I have many ideas on this subject; I'm going to spend more time writing this than editing it, but I'll try to structure it so it's easier to skim ... I hope it's helpful and not too long! > any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value A few spring to mind: * Science: Compare IPCC reports with almost any discussion on climate change. If you take the time to read just the IPCC 'summary reports…

I have another example of this sort of thing that I came across recently.

There is much talk here in New Zealand, as there is in the US, about the possibility of a Universal Basic Income.

Looking it up, I found a relatively short investigation into the idea commissioned by the government back in 2010[1], that has more real statistics and conclusions than all the other talk I've ever seen put together.

What you call "high-value" writing still, of course, has the possibility of errors, bias, etc. But man is it still more informative to read than everything else.

Of course the punishment for reading this stuff is the pain of living in a world full of people commenting who "didn't read the article." :p

[1] Available here: http://igps.victoria.ac.nz/WelfareWorkingGroup/Downloads/Wor...

Re: The Need to Read

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I think a lot of people end up not reading because of a certain misconception about human knowledge acquisition. I often hear this complaint that reading seems pointless because they'll have forgotten most of what's in the book in a year, or whatever. But this is just an indexing issue: when you read a book, you acquire more from it than some list of facts you can intentionally recall afterward—that's just one way of…

Thanks, that's a very insightful way to think about it. Reminded me of PG's "How You Know" (http://www.paulgraham.com/know.html), where he points out that not being able to recall information from a book doesn't mean that the book was "useless", because the process of reading a book weaves it into your subconscious model of the world.

Makes me feel a lot better about all the time I've spent reading books that I can't immediately recall the details of.

Re: The Need to Read

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post #20

I don't read entire non-fiction books anymore but just search for it's summaries or notes. Most non-fiction books revolve around a few central ideas. Once you internalize this you realize it isn't necessary to read the entire book. You just need to read the summary and notes that someone else has written. For eg : I'm currently going through the book notes that Derek Sivers has written and just posted this last night…

A big advantage of taking the time to read a book, even if the book has just one central idea, is that it forces you to spend 5+ hours thinking on that idea. No summary can do that for you. I'd even go so far as to say that it's not even important which book or idea you spend that time on; just spending time with your own thoughts and imagination will teach you things no non-fiction or summary can. I do agree that su…

"A big advantage of taking the time to read a book, even if the book has just one central idea, is that it forces you to spend 5+ hours thinking on that idea. "

Exposing you to ^new^ ideas, ones not encountered before.

Re: The Need to Read

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have many ideas on this subject; I'm going to spend more time writing this than editing it, but I'll try to structure it so it's easier to skim ... I hope it's helpful and not too long! > any examples of the wide gap between high-value content vs. low-value A few spring to mind: * Science: Compare IPCC reports with almost any discussion on climate change. If you take the time to read just the IPCC 'summary reports…

I have another example of this sort of thing that I came across recently. There is much talk here in New Zealand, as there is in the US, about the possibility of a Universal Basic Income. Looking it up, I found a relatively short investigation into the idea commissioned by the government back in 2010[1], that has more real statistics and conclusions than all the other talk I've ever seen put together. What you call "…

Thanks; agreed; exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about.

> the punishment for reading this stuff is the pain of living in a world full of people commenting who "didn't read the article." :p

Yup. And watch them take us blindly into calamity after calamity because they can't be bothered to click a link.

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