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Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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The DEA needs to go bye bye, and be replaced by the DRA, Drug Rehabilitation Agency. While I respect the risks operational agents take against crime syndicates, the war on drugs is a disaster. Even the government’s own RAND corporation concluded enforcement is far worse than rehabilitation, with rehab being 7 times more effective than policing, 400 times more effective then border interdiction, and 800 times more eff…

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Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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A problem is that women are smoking marijuana and may not yet know they are pregnant.

Medical marijuana laws and pregnancy: implications for public health policy. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27422056

"Although there is much to learn yet about the effects of prenatal marijuana use on pregnancy and child outcome, there is enough evidence to suggest that marijuana, contrary to popular perception, is not a harmless drug, especially when used during pregnancy. Consequently, the public health system has a responsibility to educate physicians and the public about the impact of marijuana on pregnancy and to discourage the use of medical marijuana by pregnant women or women considering pregnancy." [emphasis added]

Long-term Marijuana Use and Cognitive Impairment in Middle Age http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=24849...

Association Between Lifetime Marijuana Use and Cognitive Function in Middle Age The Coronary Artery Risk Development in Young Adults (CARDIA) Study http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=24849...

Marijuana use leads to increased stillbirth: (free download)

Association between stillbirth and illicit drug use and smoking during pregnancy http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24463671

"CONCLUSION: Cannabis use, smoking, illicit drug use, and apparent exposure to second-hand smoke, separately or in combination, during pregnancy were associated with an increased risk of stillbirth. Because cannabis use may be increasing with increased legalization, the relevance of these findings may increase as well."

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Please delete. I can't rebut the reply—due to the legal status of cannabis.

Now that it's recreational and all of the THC and CBD percentages are listed on the packages, I've noticed cannabis high in CBD is sticky, much more so than cannabis high in THC. For the many years it was illegal and I smoked it anyway, sticky cannabis aka 'dank' was always preferred. I believe CBD cannabis is more popular than it seems.

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Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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> We used to say something similar about MUDs. Don't start, because you'll end up spending days and nights on a terminal in the basement of the library and your work/outside life/everything else will be put on hold. > Multiplayer games... the drug of nerd generation X? MUDs, MUSHes, Doom, Quake, Starcraft, shit posting on Reddit, dropping knowledge bombs on HN[1] ... the venue changes but it's all the same waste of t…

>MUDs, MUSHes, Doom, Quake, Starcraft, shit posting on Reddit This is my progression as well :^)

> This is my progression as well :^)

I never said that list was arbitrary or randomly generated :D

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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Do you have any real evidence to back anything you've said up? Sorry, but you can't quantify 10 years behind, it's just purely subjective. Just because you know people who are lazy and use cannabis, proves very little I'm afraid. Do they drink beer also? Not attacking you, but it's comments and attitudes like this that help politicians justify silly things, such as, "The war on drugs". The war on drugs is one of the…

I am 10000000% against the war on drugs. This is obviously anecdotal. I am simply saying that cannabis has a very dark side to it which robs young people of a lot of their productivity and ambition. They usually never drink alcohol I find - or very little. I know about 5 people who fell into this trap and when (some) of them packed it in have enormous regret. My point is that this isn't talked about with cannabis.

I kinda agree with this, being stoned 24/7 makes things tougher but you get used to that. Some people don't have as much drive as others for whatever reasons, it's just an extra hurdle.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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The big question is why drugs are illegal at all? Drugs are a multi trillion dollar business. 100's of billions of dollars turning the wheels of the shadow economy every day. Who stands to lose all that money if drugs were legalized? Who is involved in drug business? think of all of the players in the chain.. We know examples of developed countries where drugs are legalized and everyone did not become a junkie over n…

Past experiences with widespread drug availability and addiction suggest social cohesion is lost as people become dependent on the next fix. Look up the history of opium war in China or for more recent experiences, drug problems in Punjab India or the drug dependency in the Middle East .

This is far from an objective point of view and extremely misleading.

Opium war in china had nothing to do with social cohesion, but trade and geopolitics. Same for the war in Afghanistan.

You don't need to go that far in order to come up with dubious examples (that few are familiar with) however.

The early 1900s in the good old USA, where morphine and later heroin were sold over the counter should provide plenty of evidence that you're spewing garbage.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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I know both. I have family members who smoke routinely for basically their lives. You would never know, they don't let it interrupt their life. To them it is more like coming home and having a glass of wine and relaxing on the couch with a good book. I also know and lived with roommates for whom marijuana was a real problem. The kind of person who would smoke every day, even coming home on their lunch break and takin…

We seem to be ok with people dropping out and becoming monks, but somehow living a relaxed lifestyle is somehow a major problem. Is it ok for people not to be a cog in the machine that makes your lifestyle possible or not? Sure, I might be happier if my past self saved even more money, lived a vegan lifestyle, or learned to play an instrument. But, I don't think it's a problem that I have failed to optimize for makin…

I think the problem is not that people shun them that those people want to live a more relaxed life, but more that some of these people haven't done the necessary steps to do it properly (bouncing from job to job because you can't function due to psychological addiction in a high-cost city is not good). As anything else, I believe that the individual should be responsible for what they do, yet proper knowledge of potential effects and how to face them is needed to avoid wasted years of their life.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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The big question is why drugs are illegal at all? Drugs are a multi trillion dollar business. 100's of billions of dollars turning the wheels of the shadow economy every day. Who stands to lose all that money if drugs were legalized? Who is involved in drug business? think of all of the players in the chain.. We know examples of developed countries where drugs are legalized and everyone did not become a junkie over n…

Without the drug economy, it's not clear how the CIA and DEA would remain profitable enterprises, which is what fundamentally matters to them - so until it becomes illegal for the CIA to produce and import drugs, don't expect anything to change. The incentives to maintain the status quo are just too big. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_traf...

This, so much this.

During conversations in everyday life, I can not believe how many (well-educated) people I meet that are completely ignorant of the humongous elephant in the room even when they've been caught multiple times with their hand in the suitcases full of money that the CIA likes to throw around their potential "customers" like they're candy.

Even if black budgets that are kept off the books are a small slice of the pie, all the other colossal bureaucracies (DEA, prison-industrial complex) more than make up for it.

Re: Stop Treating Marijuana Like Heroin

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post #101
post #82

The DEA needs to go bye bye, and be replaced by the DRA, Drug Rehabilitation Agency. While I respect the risks operational agents take against crime syndicates, the war on drugs is a disaster. Even the government’s own RAND corporation concluded enforcement is far worse than rehabilitation, with rehab being 7 times more effective than policing, 400 times more effective then border interdiction, and 800 times more eff…

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Thanks! Fixed.
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