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Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#102
For people looking for a cheaper option than the roost stand, i can strongly recommend book stands like this:

https://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-reviews/R1MVD7C55Q9ZKD/ref...

It can fit literally any machine, won't break from a puny laptop under any circumstance, folds very flat so fits in most bags, and can bring the screen really high.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#103
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All the ergo adjustments in the world won't help you if you sit in one position all day long with one small set of muscles engaged while the rest are disengaged and slowly atrophying. The best solution is touched on in the article, but it can't be overstated that actual exercise is the best preventative.

Switching to a sit-stand desk is by far the best thing I've done: http://jakeseliger.com/2015/01/24/geekdesk-max-sit-stand-des... .

The best bang for buck ergonomics device for me has been a monitor stand that is spring loaded for easy height adjustment and goes higher than a normal monitor stand.

You'll need one with a sit-stand desk anyway so I'd suggest getting one first. You need the monitor higher when standing to have correct posture.

The monitor stands that come bundled with monitors are way too low if stationed on the same tabletop as your keyboard.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#104

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This. So much this. But even a cookie-cutter program can lead you down the wrong road because they assume that the person beginning the program is healthy. Most of the readers here spend our lives in globally flexed positions with abducted, elevated, and internally rotated shoulders and flexed, externally rotated hips. When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite. Training for global extension, especially…

Hey, you say "When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite" but then go into lots of terms that I don't understand. Can you give a short "ELI5" list of popular exercises which should be avoided/limited with these posture issues, and which typical exercises would fill the lacking areas?

If you want an "out-of-the-box" routine that's simple and balanced, I'd recommend "stronglifts" [0]. To be sure, it's a very strength-centric routine, but you can very well dial it back to twice a week and complement it with a weekly run.

The reason I suggest this particular regimen is threefold:

1. it's simple

2. the "culture" of stronglifts focuses heavily on proper form

3. the exercises involved are compound (i.e. multi-join, multi-muscle-group) lifts, which reduce the risk of muscular imbalances.

[0] http://stronglifts.com/5x5/

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#105

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This. So much this. But even a cookie-cutter program can lead you down the wrong road because they assume that the person beginning the program is healthy. Most of the readers here spend our lives in globally flexed positions with abducted, elevated, and internally rotated shoulders and flexed, externally rotated hips. When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite. Training for global extension, especially…

Hey, you say "When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite" but then go into lots of terms that I don't understand. Can you give a short "ELI5" list of popular exercises which should be avoided/limited with these posture issues, and which typical exercises would fill the lacking areas?

At the risk of oversimplifying, and with an explicit warning that reading words is no substitute for working with a proper trainer who can plan a good programme, watch your movement live and correct mistakes immediately, and generally help you train safely and effectively...

Planning a good programme mostly isn't about specific exercises, except for avoiding a few that persist in popularity even though they're actually really bad for you. It's more about balancing so you don't focus too much on one area relative to another, and then you also need to use good form when you move so you really are recruiting the muscles you intend to without damaging anything else. If you don't balance your training well, or you train with bad form that has the same end result, a couple of things are likely to go wrong.

The first is if you have opposing muscle groups but train one side much more than the other, either through neglecting exercises on one side or through bad form so you're not getting the full benefit of the exercises you are doing. Barring injury, you'll still strengthen the muscles all right. However, you'll then find that instead of the muscles having a comfortable neutral position and supporting any nearby joints as they should, you permanently have the much stronger side pulling on everything. This makes you vulnerable to all kinds of injuries and complications. It also means that in the real world, your strength will be less useful in practice than it could be. (It's also potentially an underlying cause of bad posture, which I think is where we came in.)

There's no big secret to avoiding this. Just be careful to train both sides of an action reasonably evenly. If you're doing bench press to build up your chest, do some rows to build up your back as well. Shoulder press? Do some pull downs or chin-ups as well. Hitting your triceps? Don't forget your biceps. Be particularly careful with the legs, because so many exercises naturally use a pushing action, but big quads and weak hamstrings does not make for happy knees and hips.

A second very common mistake is to focus mostly or entirely on the bigger, stronger muscle groups. They look great all pumped up, and they do provide the majority of your practical strength. However, your body is also full of little muscles that co-ordinate and stabilise everything else, so you can deploy the strength of your major muscle groups efficiently and safely. If you don't train your supporting muscles to back up the big guns, then sooner or later all the extra power in your big guns is going to get put somewhere that can't handle it, again probably resulting in sprains, strains, or worse.

The best general advice I can offer to avoid this one is to try to focus on compound exercises and free weights for the most part. (A compound exercise just means one that uses multiple joints and muscles together at once. Almost any "big movement" exercise you see at the gym that isn't done with a machine partially controlling the weight/resistance is going to be a compound exercise.) If you use machines to isolate specific major muscle groups, you can really concentrate on building those up, but the machine is probably also lending support to the surrounding joints in a way that natural movement won't. Do that for most or all of your work-out and neglect other kinds of exercises and you'll build up the big muscles but neglect the stabilisers, and the first time you realise it may unfortunately be when you try to move something substantial in real life away from the gym and find you didn't have nearly as much functional strength as that nice increasing weight on the machine made you think you did.

I hope that helps with your question, but again I really can't stress enough how important it is to work with a good trainer, at least to start with, if you want to get into gym work. They're not just there for encouragement or to spot you on a heavy lift, they're also there to help you make the most of your work-out and get better results sooner just through training with a good combination of exercises and good performance when you do them. Finding the right trainer was one of the best life decisions I ever made.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#106
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This is a consequence of laptop usage. You should have your screen at eye height, sit in a chair with arms, and have wrist support. Before laptops took over, there was a lot of concern about keyboard ergonomics. That seems to have disappeared. You can't even get the Microsoft Natural Keyboard any more.

>You can't even get the Microsoft Natural Keyboard any more. Wow, are they Out of stock temporarily or permanently? https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Natural... EDIT: They still offer plenty of Ergonomic keyboards, but only wireless one it seems. (For instance: https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Wireles... )

You've got 2 options at the moment I think:

Cheap MS Natural 4000: https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboar... (rubber domes - actually I think the space bar is OK, but tends to be stiff until it's had a couple of weeks of use)

More expensive MS Sculpt Ergonomic: https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboar... (scissor switches + clicky buttons for F keys and Esc)

Both are OK, I'd say. The 4000 has slightly nasty keyswitches, but in exchange it's got all the keys in traditional places. The Sculpt is nicer to type on, if you don't mind that sort of thing, but the non-standard keyboard layout leaves something to be desired.

(One note of caution: I've had 5 of the MS 4000s now, and the newest one, bought a month ago, has a much squishier, quieter key action - presumably a new recipe with improved cost-effectiveness. I don't think this is any worse than what was there already, but some might disagree...)

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#107

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Hey, you say "When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite" but then go into lots of terms that I don't understand. Can you give a short "ELI5" list of popular exercises which should be avoided/limited with these posture issues, and which typical exercises would fill the lacking areas?

If you want an "out-of-the-box" routine that's simple and balanced, I'd recommend "stronglifts" [0]. To be sure, it's a very strength-centric routine, but you can very well dial it back to twice a week and complement it with a weekly run. The reason I suggest this particular regimen is threefold: 1. it's simple 2. the "culture" of stronglifts focuses heavily on proper form 3. the exercises involved are compound (i.e.…

I did CrossFit, got hurt. Tried again, got hurt. Final time, got hurt.

Did StrongLifts. Got gains. The only injuries came from my Krav Maga instructor. ;-)

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#108

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Always put technique first. Start with the basic compound lifts. These represent idealized human movement. Use light loads while you learn what proper technique feels like. Deadlift- Be careful not to overdo this, especially when you're starting out Squat- Overhead squat is probably the best variation to master, but goblet squat is probably the easiest Press Bench Press Dip Pullup Bent-over Row You should also challe…

I agree. Spend a month or two (or more if you have severe mechanical restrictions) familiarizing yourself with the proper form for the major barbell lifts, and then put yourself through a beginner program such as Starting Strength [1] , accompanied with good nutrition[2] and HIIT to keep bodyfat in check. On a side note, it's interesting to me that you singled out the deadlift, as I found the (back) squat the most ch…

> On a side note, it's interesting to me that you singled out the deadlift, as I found the (back) squat the most challenging lift to master.

I totally agree with you, I feel that the goblet squat, front squat, and eventually the overhead squat are much better for beginners because they emphasize good movement mechanics in a way that the back squat allows you to cheat on (until you end up at the chiropractor).

The reason I put deadlifts first on the list is that I truly believe it to be the most important lift to master- particularly for those who spend most of their time in globally flexed positions while sitting on the primary movers of the posterior chain. Plus, you can't deadlift and not develop bracing technique, which is IMO the most important thing a beginner can learn.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. So much this. But even a cookie-cutter program can lead you down the wrong road because they assume that the person beginning the program is healthy. Most of the readers here spend our lives in globally flexed positions with abducted, elevated, and internally rotated shoulders and flexed, externally rotated hips. When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite. Training for global extension, especially…

What advice do you have for learning to move correctly with only bodyweight training, not lifting weights? I don't have access to a gym right now, but when I do have access later this year, I'd like for my body to be (closer to) properly aligned so I can start lifting weights again without reinforcing bad posture, etc. (edit: I'm trying to ask the same question as the sister comment by PeterP)

No matter what: Lift heavy shit over your head properly, repeat, and you will get strong.

If you're looking for the README.md just going with StrongLifts works for a wide segment of people.

Lots of people have different opinions and systems of fitness but just keep that truth in mind.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#110
I have two slipped disks, sciatica, piriformis syndrome and I'm 6'3. Most work spaces are pure torture for me without my protocol:

* Yoga or daily stretching

* Walking (properly)

* Epidural steroid injections every six months (for the disks)

What would be better (for people who don't want to end up like me):

A) Don't do dumb shit with your body (obvi)

B) If facilities departments would stop buying torture devices just cuz that's what everyone's used to sitting in

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