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Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Post by PeterisP »

Floegipoky wrote: post #56
jholloway7 wrote: post #14

Lifting weights can help, but it can also cause more harm when your routine isn't properly balanced. Doing only bench press and military press lifts for upper body is going to be a chest/tricep push heavy routine. If you're not balancing these pushes with pulls (chinups, pullups, rows, etc), it can promote issues like rolled shoulders, forward neck, weak traps, weak rhomboids or similar postural issues to those the a…

This. So much this. But even a cookie-cutter program can lead you down the wrong road because they assume that the person beginning the program is healthy. Most of the readers here spend our lives in globally flexed positions with abducted, elevated, and internally rotated shoulders and flexed, externally rotated hips. When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite. Training for global extension, especially…

Hey, you say "When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite" but then go into lots of terms that I don't understand.

Can you give a short "ELI5" list of popular exercises which should be avoided/limited with these posture issues, and which typical exercises would fill the lacking areas?

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Post by dpark »

gooseus wrote: post #53
yodsanklai wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also don't know how more people aren't in the chiropractor's office weekly Maybe because there are no evidence that it's effective. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/reference/chiropractic/

Chiropractors don't fall just into "straights" and "mixers", there are entire schools which focus on evidence-based biomechanic adjustments and others that get way more woo-woo about it with energy healing and whatnot. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/science-based-chiroprac... That guy spent years being a chiropractor and while he acknowledges that the postulates of vertebral subluxation theory is implausible, h…

> That guy spent years being a chiropractor and while he acknowledges that the postulates of vertebral subluxation theory is implausible, he was also able to spend years helping people with spinal manipulations working as a chiropractor.

Did he help them or did he deliver placebos? "Most cases of back pain are self limiting, and spinal manipulation is not often more effective than other physical treatment modalities in affecting the final outcome."

> Like with anything, there are good and bad actors and even a bad actor may help people even if their justification for why something is helping is fundamentally flawed.

Is there actual science supporting the claims? Not the mechanism claims, which are clearly bullshit. Is there even any support in the science for the claims of effectiveness?

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Post by [deleted] »

ravenstine wrote: post #31

How often do you find that a person with a low body-fat ratio with negative effects caused by bad posture? The people who I've seen with obvious problems caused by poor posture, like a hump or sore back or joints, are usually moderately to highly overweight. Kind of like how women with large breasts can have problems with soreness or neck humps. I suspect that it's not so much about good posture as it is about having…

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Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

#84

Post by maxwelljoslyn »

Floegipoky wrote: post #56
jholloway7 wrote: post #14

Lifting weights can help, but it can also cause more harm when your routine isn't properly balanced. Doing only bench press and military press lifts for upper body is going to be a chest/tricep push heavy routine. If you're not balancing these pushes with pulls (chinups, pullups, rows, etc), it can promote issues like rolled shoulders, forward neck, weak traps, weak rhomboids or similar postural issues to those the a…

This. So much this. But even a cookie-cutter program can lead you down the wrong road because they assume that the person beginning the program is healthy. Most of the readers here spend our lives in globally flexed positions with abducted, elevated, and internally rotated shoulders and flexed, externally rotated hips. When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite. Training for global extension, especially…

What advice do you have for learning to move correctly with only bodyweight training, not lifting weights? I don't have access to a gym right now, but when I do have access later this year, I'd like for my body to be (closer to) properly aligned so I can start lifting weights again without reinforcing bad posture, etc.

(edit: I'm trying to ask the same question as the sister comment by PeterP)

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Post by Animats »

This is a consequence of laptop usage. You should have your screen at eye height, sit in a chair with arms, and have wrist support. Before laptops took over, there was a lot of concern about keyboard ergonomics. That seems to have disappeared. You can't even get the Microsoft Natural Keyboard any more.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Post by bovermyer »

Floegipoky wrote: post #56
jholloway7 wrote: post #14

Lifting weights can help, but it can also cause more harm when your routine isn't properly balanced. Doing only bench press and military press lifts for upper body is going to be a chest/tricep push heavy routine. If you're not balancing these pushes with pulls (chinups, pullups, rows, etc), it can promote issues like rolled shoulders, forward neck, weak traps, weak rhomboids or similar postural issues to those the a…

This. So much this. But even a cookie-cutter program can lead you down the wrong road because they assume that the person beginning the program is healthy. Most of the readers here spend our lives in globally flexed positions with abducted, elevated, and internally rotated shoulders and flexed, externally rotated hips. When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite. Training for global extension, especially…

All good advice. Are you familiar with sites like Nerd Fitness and GMB Fitness? They both focus on online self-driven instruction rather than in-person coaching, but each seems to offer an interesting angle on enhancement of physical movement, especially the latter.

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Post by zb »

Animats wrote: post #85

This is a consequence of laptop usage. You should have your screen at eye height, sit in a chair with arms, and have wrist support. Before laptops took over, there was a lot of concern about keyboard ergonomics. That seems to have disappeared. You can't even get the Microsoft Natural Keyboard any more.

Wat.

https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboar...

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Post by vmarsy »

Animats wrote: post #85

This is a consequence of laptop usage. You should have your screen at eye height, sit in a chair with arms, and have wrist support. Before laptops took over, there was a lot of concern about keyboard ergonomics. That seems to have disappeared. You can't even get the Microsoft Natural Keyboard any more.

>You can't even get the Microsoft Natural Keyboard any more.

Wow, are they Out of stock temporarily or permanently?

https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Natural...

EDIT: They still offer plenty of Ergonomic keyboards, but only wireless one it seems. (For instance: https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Wireles... )

Re: We have an epidemic of bad posture

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Post by jpallen »

maxwelljoslyn wrote: post #84
Floegipoky wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. So much this. But even a cookie-cutter program can lead you down the wrong road because they assume that the person beginning the program is healthy. Most of the readers here spend our lives in globally flexed positions with abducted, elevated, and internally rotated shoulders and flexed, externally rotated hips. When we go to the gym, we need to train for the opposite. Training for global extension, especially…

What advice do you have for learning to move correctly with only bodyweight training, not lifting weights? I don't have access to a gym right now, but when I do have access later this year, I'd like for my body to be (closer to) properly aligned so I can start lifting weights again without reinforcing bad posture, etc. (edit: I'm trying to ask the same question as the sister comment by PeterP)

Take a look at /r/bodyweightfitness: https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness. They've put together a routine for beginners that is excellent: https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/wiki/kb/recommend...
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