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Ask HN: Just got an innocent man out of prison. What now?

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Re: Ask HN: Just got an innocent man out of prison. What now?

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I have spent 4.5 years homeless. Prior to that, I was an award winning student, and then a respected military wife and homeschooling mom. (Edit: Oh, yeah, I also worked for a Fortune 500 company for over 5 years.) Being homeless has given me loads of firsthand experience with how cavalier people are about completely disregarding the human dignity and agency of individuals they view as charity cases. So, I felt compel…

Why do you feel you are the lone voice on the side of respecting his dignity and personal choice? That is only true if a) he has the same priorities/perspective as you b) his priorities/perspectives are violated by the OP(there is no shed of evidence of this; plenty to the contrary.) Also, his definition of dignity could be not being homeless or dependent on his kids . If that were true, it would be in contrast to yo…

Given that MY view is that he should fundamentally have a say, there is no way that what he wants for himself in any way contradicts what I am saying here. You are putting words in my mouth based on prejudice. I have not suggested he should value being homeless. Nowhere have I suggested any such thing.

I suggested that he should be given options and not have publicity crammed down his throat as his only option. If he desires to go the publicity route, awesome! More power to him. But if he doesn't desire it and is given zero options, he may go with it because he has been in prison for 11 years and the world has changed and he has few connections out in the world and a fuckton of obstacles.

Re: Ask HN: Just got an innocent man out of prison. What now?

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I was thinking of starting a website a while ago and even bought the domain, then released it, called www.helpahomelessperson.com. The goal behind it is/was to just list a homeless person and their needs, a person who is more well off would have to post their listing most likely and they would take pictures, video interviews and tell their story for them.

Then you would have people that wanted to help (visitors) and would browse around the site and find a story of someone who struck a chord with them and they could donate anonymously or publicly in terms of anything they wanted.

The key to the site is for someone to be an amabassador for the homeless person and really get that persons story out there and up on the site. The 'internet' would do the rest.

Also caution would need to be taken to not force someone to accept a person's donation, because some people might expect something in return or just be bad news, like a company who just wants publicity.

Anyways, the idea is still valid, I just haven't had the time to pursue it yet.

This happens all the time I am sure. Would be a great Show HN.

Re: Ask HN: Just got an innocent man out of prison. What now?

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First of all you should take pride in what you have done already. You've gone way beyond what most of your fellow country men will ever do.

While I understand, you're doing the wrong thing by focusing on this single individual. Since this guy is someone you have gotten to know, you have an emotional tie that is making you blind to the cold hard truth.

This happens to someone everyday.

- Parents have a falling out with their adolescent children and kick them out - Runaway kids run out of money, and by running out I mean: zero zilch nada - Addicts just run out of money as well as in zero zilch nada - Explosive break up of couple where one gets locked out - Eviction by landlords or as a result of bankruptcy etc etc etc

Most have friend or family to help out, and you'll never heard about them. Those who don't are the one you see sleeping on the streets. Thats assuming that you're not one of those that just stay between our office, the mall, and the safe gated community in the suburbs where the hobos are nicly or of sight out of mind. This is what most people do...

You can do one of two things. a) Take the position that's you've helped one guy out of jail. If every body helped one person, everybody in need would be out of homelessness in a forth night. Quite frankly, your guy is just so much better of just living on the street than in jail, so if you take this position you've done your part for king and country. I will not fault you for taking this position.

b) Start working on something, anything, that goes towards a solution that take care of everybody.

I'm a bit astonished that you can't go to the court and argue that as there is no way he is not going to get some kind of compensation, the state can just as well right now front up something like $1000 - $10000 to help him get reestablished. If there is some crap about there is case law not too, then this is call to start working on abolishing the whole concept of common law and switch to a civil law system. (I know this means getting the legislative to replace the current body of case law with some more sensible civil code. A task for which the word "hard" falls short.)

I just take the position we need to work on the whole problem , and that doing this by individual you're effectively just doing a band aid. Remember the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions?" You make actually be making it worse by doing it by individuals as it may hide the true scope and scale of the problem.

Re: Ask HN: Just got an innocent man out of prison. What now?

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First of all you should take pride in what you have done already. You've gone way beyond what most of your fellow country men will ever do. While I understand, you're doing the wrong thing by focusing on this single individual. Since this guy is someone you have gotten to know, you have an emotional tie that is making you blind to the cold hard truth. This happens to someone everyday. - Parents have a falling out wit…

Yeah, if our system puts innocent people away they should reimburse them for that severe fuck up. Maybe focus on changing that law, for the big picture.

Re: Ask HN: Just got an innocent man out of prison. What now?

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Can you expound a little on what makes if difficult to recover the funds? What hoops must one jump through that wouldn't be plainly evident in RLJ's particular situation?

Sure. There are two primary issues. First, the standard for being compensated is higher than the one for being let out of prison. Ray is free right now because the state has admitted that it no longer has confidence in his conviction. However, it has not affirmatively conceded his innocence. That may sound pedantic. It let him out of prison and admits he isn't the target of the ongoing investigation. But from a legal…

This is one area where Texas is far ahead of California.

Re: Ask HN: Just got an innocent man out of prison. What now?

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"trying to go this route without asking him" - who said anything about not asking him? Seems pretty obvious that this would be the implied first step.

I have spent 4.5 years homeless. Prior to that, I was an award winning student, and then a respected military wife and homeschooling mom. (Edit: Oh, yeah, I also worked for a Fortune 500 company for over 5 years.) Being homeless has given me loads of firsthand experience with how cavalier people are about completely disregarding the human dignity and agency of individuals they view as charity cases. So, I felt compel…

Just my 2 cents, so please read with a grain of salt.

From your story, you appear to have a stronger connection to Ray's story then most folk on this site. Since you were in similar circumstances (without means), you have an understanding of how one can feel in that situation and your reaction is just, when viewed from that side.

On the other hand, people who read HN are entrepreneurial in spirit and instantly see it through their lense of "solving a problem". It is my opinion that most folk here have no problem doing what is necessary to get their story across or "sell themselves" to achieve a goal (within reason). Hence, to them, Ray's situation should be attacked with a similar POV as drumming support for a startup or idea.

I believe the misunderstanding comes from the way you are viewing Ray as a person and attempting to preserve his decency in the event he's not comfortable with some of the suggestions while others are viewing his situation as an issue to solve/conquer without similar experience. Both opinions are right but for different reasons.

Regardless, I'm glad that you had the strength to overcome your own hardships. Hopefully Ray has similar success.

Re: Ask HN: Just got an innocent man out of prison. What now?

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"trying to go this route without asking him" - who said anything about not asking him? Seems pretty obvious that this would be the implied first step.

I have spent 4.5 years homeless. Prior to that, I was an award winning student, and then a respected military wife and homeschooling mom. (Edit: Oh, yeah, I also worked for a Fortune 500 company for over 5 years.) Being homeless has given me loads of firsthand experience with how cavalier people are about completely disregarding the human dignity and agency of individuals they view as charity cases. So, I felt compel…

Well if someone try to shout you down, I'll shout you up! :-)

Re: Ask HN: Just got an innocent man out of prison. What now?

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have spent 4.5 years homeless. Prior to that, I was an award winning student, and then a respected military wife and homeschooling mom. (Edit: Oh, yeah, I also worked for a Fortune 500 company for over 5 years.) Being homeless has given me loads of firsthand experience with how cavalier people are about completely disregarding the human dignity and agency of individuals they view as charity cases. So, I felt compel…

Just my 2 cents, so please read with a grain of salt. From your story, you appear to have a stronger connection to Ray's story then most folk on this site. Since you were in similar circumstances (without means), you have an understanding of how one can feel in that situation and your reaction is just, when viewed from that side. On the other hand, people who read HN are entrepreneurial in spirit and instantly see it…

Thank you for commenting.

My view is strongly shaped by the negative reactions I have gotten over the years on HN, where I have only sought to be taken seriously as an entrepreneur, but have largely failed in that endeavor. So I am very familiar firsthand with how much harm can be done to one's ability to support themselves when there is a lot of public attention given to them in a way that frames them as a victim, a charity case, and so on.

I have about six years of college. I was an award winning student. I am the top ranked woman on HN while homeless and, yet, I cannot get people here to take me seriously that the only damn thing I need in order to make my fucked up life actually work is arranging for an (adequate amount of) earned income that does not keep me ill.

In spite of the famous saying that There is no such thing as bad publicity, I have experienced firsthand that there absolutely is such a thing as bad publicity.

Entrepreneurs are promoting their work and accomplishments. It has a completely different impact on your life when what is publicized is how you have been a victim, how pathetic your life currently is and so on. That in no way convinces people to give you paid work, whether as an employee or a freelancer.

Re: Ask HN: Just got an innocent man out of prison. What now?

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Since you're in Los Angeles, you might try reaching out to Homeboy Industries: http://www.homeboyindustries.org/ They specialize in helping get folks back on their feet with job training. They have a bakery program, a line of salsa, solar panel installation training, etc. They hire ex-gang and previously incarcerated men and women. Disclosure: I have enjoyed the salsa.

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