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WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Post by mc32 »

marcosdumay wrote: post #87
soapdog wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samstave, Just a bit of nitpick to save you some trouble in the future. Brazil is not poor. Brazil is the seventh world economy, if you count the number of nations in north america and europe, being the seventh world economy is a great deal. Also the division in 1st world and 3rd world is schewed upon today. Its akin to saying the N-word. There are much better, non-pejorative terms to be used. Brazil is a part of the…

Why would anybody pretend Brazil isn't poor? Ok, we are not terribly poor people are starving around the streets, but salaries are very low, prices are very hard, wealth is very concentrated, and a huge share of the people live from government handouts. That is not being rich.

Well, that way there is nothing to confront or solve because they are not poor and by inference there is no injustice.

It's like us saying, no, there is no racism in the US (or practically any place).

Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Post by soapdog »

ryanlol wrote: post #68
soapdog wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samstave, Just a bit of nitpick to save you some trouble in the future. Brazil is not poor. Brazil is the seventh world economy, if you count the number of nations in north america and europe, being the seventh world economy is a great deal. Also the division in 1st world and 3rd world is schewed upon today. Its akin to saying the N-word. There are much better, non-pejorative terms to be used. Brazil is a part of the…

> division in 1st world and 3rd world is schewed upon today > Its akin to saying the N-word I'm sorry, what? How can you even compare these two things, I can't imagine anyone finding "3rd world" offensive (After all, you don't use it to refer to people... do you?) . Especially when it's objectively true.

In many political science contexts and academies the "3rd world" monicker is considered offensive and obsolete. I am not joking, people do take offense on this term and classification scheme...

Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Post by free2rhyme214 »

abritinthebay wrote: post #82
twoarray wrote: post #41

Brazilian here. I've always used Telegram for privacy purposes. It was amazing to watch the flood of friends "just signing up".

But... Telegram isn't E2E encrypted so is less private..? I mean, it's not blocked so I guess it's better than nothing but it's not a plus for privacy: it's a net negative.

Telegram's secret chats are E2E encrypted.

Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Post by edko »

samstave wrote: post #80
soapdog wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samstave, Just a bit of nitpick to save you some trouble in the future. Brazil is not poor. Brazil is the seventh world economy, if you count the number of nations in north america and europe, being the seventh world economy is a great deal. Also the division in 1st world and 3rd world is schewed upon today. Its akin to saying the N-word. There are much better, non-pejorative terms to be used. Brazil is a part of the…

Thank you very much for the information. I stated something without the whole picture, and a lot of people replied. I will stand by my comment that Brazil is rather technologically advanced with respect to how net-savvy their population is. I wrongly stated that Brazil is 3rd-world... And as another user points out, Brazil "meerly" suffers from deep corruption. However, in my defense, I shall contend that the simple…

If "favelas" are sign of being 3rd world, what about homeless people, or does your "isolation" prevent you from seeing them?

Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Post by zanny »

notliketherest wrote: post #4

What most people outside of Brazil don't realize is that WhatsApp is almost universally used by Brazillians to communicate about EVERYTHING, even your doctor [0][1]. My wife is Brazillian and uses it to communicate with her family in Brazil every day. This will have disastrous consequences for Brazilians domestically and internationally. This policy is being put in place by unelected judges and cartel of monopolistic…

That sounds incredibly dystopian. A proprietary communication protocol made by a foreign company dominating all communications without recourse sounds like something out of 1984.

I mean, if your doctor is using it, you know you are screwed the day Facebook does anything you disagree with, because you are wholly dependent on them at that point. That was why we even developed interoperable federated messaging protocols over 15 years ago, apparently the world forgot about how bad the 90s were.

Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Post by soneca »

Others wrote: post #89
soneca wrote: post #64

I'm here to defend the judge's ruling, a position very unpopular among all my friends here in Brazil. Brazilian law regarding regarding privacy of users of internet services is very recent and clear: if a judge order the company to share a specific user data, the company must comply. You can disagree with the law, but the law is there. Now, the judge ordered Whatsapp to share a particular user conversation (a suspect…

But, as it says in the article, WhatsApp just doesn't have the data the judge wants it to turn over. How does it make sense to punish a company for not doing something that it physically cannot do?

I think this statement weird. End-to-end encryption is very recent, the data asked by the judge is for communication made before this feature roll-out. So I'm assuming Whatsapp do have the information for these two particular cases. But I could be wrong.

Anyway, maybe they are just using it for PR support on their position against the court decision, betting that all of that Telegram new users will come back to Whatsapp after the suspension (that's what happened before).

Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Post by School-Cotton »

stepanhruda wrote: post #72
hkmurakami wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 1st world and 3rd world country can often be a strange one. South Korea is technically considered a 3rd world country, even though it has quite a global influence in industries such as consumer electronics, automotive, semiconductors, and steel. edit: Apologies, looks like I was completely wrong since the source online I looked at incorrectly defined SK as economically undeveloped (I looked further and SK is in t…

SK is absolutely first world

He's probably using the technical term from international relations, according to which "third world" meant neither aligned with the United States nor the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Not only is that wrong (the Republic of Korea was and is about as closely aligned with the U.S. as a country can possibly be), but it's confusing, since what was clearly meant in the context of this thread was the different, colloquial meaning of "1st world" meaning "developed" and "3rd world" meaning poor.

Regardless, SK is unambiguously 1st world according to either definition.

Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Post by wslh »

soneca wrote: post #64

I'm here to defend the judge's ruling, a position very unpopular among all my friends here in Brazil. Brazilian law regarding regarding privacy of users of internet services is very recent and clear: if a judge order the company to share a specific user data, the company must comply. You can disagree with the law, but the law is there. Now, the judge ordered Whatsapp to share a particular user conversation (a suspect…

> You can disagree with the law, but the law is there.

There is something called Civil disobedience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience) and surely if you analyze every law system it contradicts itself.

Re: WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide Today by a Single Judge

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Post by jaflo »

free2rhyme214 wrote: post #99
twoarray wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed Telegram is not more secure than WhatsApp, but I usually take into account the position of each company and how that affects my particular use case.

Telegram secure chats are more secure than Whatsapp's recent encryption because the code is open source.

While it is true that Telegram's clients are open-sourced, their server-side code is not. So we don't know how information is stored on the server (I do not think that it is encrypted).
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